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I am a bit confused. I don't know whether to buy the athlon XP + dfi mobo or the asus mobo + duron. The asus mobo is a bit old and accepts only TB and durons up to 1ghz, but i can use my old 133 memory module.
The DFi mobo offers flexibility for upgrade, but ppl are having problems with them.
I don't think that the company would order parts for me coz they are a wholesale shop and they sell only to companies. + I live on a smal island in the indian ocean.

I there a real diff bet DDR & SD ram apart cost, and is it worth it??
Do you recommend a rock stable asus/durom config or gamer dfi/athlonxp??
 
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Ehm, they sell 1.1ghz, 1.2 ghz and 1.3 ghz duron cpus.
However, the asus mobo supports cpus up to 1ghz. :(
I'll have to get the 1.1 then??
 
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@shadoe

I've been digging asus' website & i've found a bios update for the a7v133. The bios update allows athlon xp cpus to be used. Can you check it for me plz.
Thxxxx
 
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Personally, i prefer the asus mobo. If the bios upgrade does really support athlon Xp, then i'll be the happiest man in the world. (i'll be a tad bit happier if they had the a7v333 model)

If it really supports athlonXP cpus, will it support the 1800+ model?

Someone's dumping his asus??:D ;) :p
 
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lol, sure thing.
Will look for the info & I'll probably just PM you back.

*the bios you're talking about is 1007, but 1009 will also include the xp support, however no real mention as to how high of a frequency it will allow. It will support the Duron 1.3Ghz (& athlon Tbird).
There is a bit of a difference between DDR & SDRAM but always go with your budget & what is available to you. I would try asking though if the place you plan on buying from can order you a better mobo though (even if they charge you extra), 'cause there are plenty of online shops. They can always order through one for you.
Anyhow, with those boards, I wouldn't waste my money with an Athlon XP if you're not going to be able to use its potential. Better off with the Duron (not a bad processor).

*but again, I don't encourage these mobos cause of the KT133x type chips. Go with the AMD 761 if possible or KT266a/333x even better (with athlon XP & DDR memory)
 
malbolgia

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Zozecool you were having a nice conversation there :D

and i wouldn't get such an old mobo

a "slow" dfi on kt333 will do much better than the asus

and the kt133 has the sound blaster problem
 
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malbolgia said:
Zozecool you were having a nice conversation there :D

and i wouldn't get such an old mobo

a "slow" dfi on kt333 will do much better than the asus

and the kt133 has the sound blaster problem
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@malbolgia
Now i'm really confused. The asus is old, but that's okay.
I need a mobo which can support my old pc 133 module, coz i don't have enough money to buy the DDR.
+ I had a shuttle mobo. I got many trouble with that (faulty eeprom) & i don't wan't this to happen again.
what do you mean by the soundblaster prob?? I have an SBlive :eek: Won't i be able to use it?????? :confused: :eek: :(

@shadoe
Found something @ _http://www.asus.com.tw/inside/Techref/athlonxp2100+.htm
_http://www.asus.com.tw/inside/Techref/duron.htm
Can you chck plz??
Is the asus board worth the trouble??? Does it have SSE enabled???
 
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shadoe_phantom

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it appears since bios 1008 the board in question (asus a7v-133) can handle upto the Athlon XP 2100, however the lack of DDR & the use of KT133 chipset isn't going to do your XPs any good.
Since the late 1990s, SSE has been dependent on your CPU, so that is what will decide if you have SSE support.
If I were you I would go for the Duron (morgan core) 1-1.3Ghz as it is closest to the Athlon chipset (minus the L2 cache size *64 compared to 256). So it will be slower, but with the mobos available to you, this would be the best setup.

*yes there are many issues with KT133 chipset & soundblaster cards + many other problems, that's why I don't recommend them

good luck
 
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okay, will go for the duron.
but what about the soundblaster issues??? I have an SB live. Will a bios upgade do the trick??

Thx 2 all of u.
:D ;) :p
 
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Since the late 1990s, SSE has been dependent on your CPU, so that is what will decide if you have SSE support.
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I've read that your bios must be unlocked to support SSE (read it somewhere on the net :D )

If I were you I would go for the Duron (morgan core) 1-1.3Ghz as it is closest to the Athlon chipset (minus the L2 cache size *64 compared to 256). So it will be slower, but with the mobos available to you, this would be the best setup.
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Duron is cheaper. :D ;) :p :)
Apart from the L2 cache diff, are there any other diff bet duron & athlonXP??
What about the QuantiSpeed architecture??
 
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This refers to the various problems
h**p://www.viahardware.com/686bfaq.shtm

The "686B Southbridge bug" - which was actually incorrect programming of the NORTHBRIDGE.

For a time, it was looking as serious as the RZ1000/CMD640 IDE controller bug, and it staill seems that there may be some issues with the KT133 series chipsets

**Extract from FAQ**

This F.A.Q is to answer some of the most frequently asked questions regarding VIA chipset Motherboards that have KT133, KT133A and KT133E VIA chipsets, and the issues around corruption of data when copying from one IDE Channel to the other, or attempting to write CDs.

To put it basically, this problem prevented users from writing to CD Writers, and Zip drives, and also prevented users from copying a file any bigger then 100megs from one hard-drive to another when on different IDE Channels/ports. The fault would usually cause either a blue screen of death (BSoD) or cause the computer to reset by itself, both possibly damaging data, and/or ruining the CD you were writing to.

This fault usually only ever happened when there was a Creative Labs SBLive installed in the computer. There were known cases where other computer system configurations also had the same issue; these will be explained further in the FAQ.
 
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Forget AMDs! AMD sucks comparing to the new INTEL CPUs!!! Get an ASUS P4B533 m/b which also has an optional RAID, SCSI and Firewire controller on board, plus it uses the new INTEL chipset with 533MHz FSB and is USB 2.0 compliant!!! Also get the P4 S478 Northwood Processor at 2.2~2.6 GHz and your system will become like a missle!

But forget AMDs... Most system crashes are due to wrong compinations (m/b, CPU, RAM) or cheap solutions that lead to incompatibility and lack of performance... Also note that the AMD chipsets use 1 FPU, while the new INTEL processors use 3!!!!!!

But if you have money to spent, it would also worth to go for a XEON Processor... Ohhhhhh that's real performance... ;)
 
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BAD NEWS

@ shadoe

Very bad news m8. The asus mobo is an a7v (a real crap), not a7v133. :(
So, asus is out of the race :'(

Only two left: DFI AD70-SC and QDI Kudoz 7-A

Which one should i get???
 
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If you want to audio-edit CD-sized wav files - MORE RAM - a 1Gb ram system would be nice. For one side of an LP at a time, 512Mb would do nicely.

For most other tasks - diminishing returns apply, with no gain from having more RAM than you use, and many things resistant to additional CPU power (though media encoding tasks like DVD to DivX or VCD will eat all the CPU power you can give them)

If you're a gamer, splash the cash on a Geforce 3 - a helluva lot better than a 4MX, and cheaper than a 4Ti.

Horses for courses, it depends what you want to do - for some things, a larger/faster hard disk may be the answer.

If you end up with a RAID-equipped board (not sure if you're considering any) then a RAID pair of identical drives can boost speed, and capacity or reliability....
RAID 0 is interleaved stripe access - increases speed and capacity.
RAID 1 is drive mirroring - increases reliability, and possibly speed if the controller disperses reads.
 
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I'm not really an audio/gamer buff.
I'm into graphix/coding/webdesign

will a 128mb ddr suffice??
 
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Ehm, should i get the athlonXP 1600+ or the 1800+??
There's no real diff bet these two cpus (except cost)
i could use the remaining money to buy a dvd. :)
 
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