Who has an Audigy here? Working...?
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dx
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I don't know what Mobo you have, but look for these...
Look in your BIOS's PnP/PCI section.
1)Do you have "Resources controlled by" it should be manual
2) How about "PCI/IRQ Assignments" and then PIRQ_0, _1, _2, etc.
3)"Force Update ESCD" should be yes.
If you can't get the soundcard off IRQ 9, how about the other items? What other items are currently sharing with IRQ 9 on your Mobo? Are you using USB rodent? What drivers are you using?
Look in your BIOS's PnP/PCI section.
1)Do you have "Resources controlled by" it should be manual
2) How about "PCI/IRQ Assignments" and then PIRQ_0, _1, _2, etc.
3)"Force Update ESCD" should be yes.
If you can't get the soundcard off IRQ 9, how about the other items? What other items are currently sharing with IRQ 9 on your Mobo? Are you using USB rodent? What drivers are you using?
dx
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Re: Poor Old ME
Nevertheless, the idea that WinME is the worst Windows OS is not just my opinion. It's very common knowledge by programmers that WinME has some serious flaws. They tried to put a little too much advanced coding from their other main OS into it...namely WinNT. If you look at Win2000 and ME they have very similar features (they were released fairly closely). But poor Win9x just couldn't keep up with the new programming. Win2000 on the other hand does great with the new code.
Just because you never had any problems with it....I know lots of people who had horrible problems with it. BSOD's and strange unexpected crashes were common. Look on this and other forums. You will not see people recommending ME, but rather 98 or 98SE. They are considered to be the most stable OS's M$ has ever made (some even argue better than XP).
When ME came out in the US they at first offered an upgrade CD for $39.00. A little cheap for a new OS from M$..right?! As most people now know, Windows doesn't upgrade very well. A Win95 to WinME upgrade was a huge problem. Back when I used to work in a Computer store, I saw sooo many people come in with problems relating to this upgrade. It was scary. We had 10 stores in our chain and all of the staff reported the same problems. At one point, a M$ representative (whom had stopped by the store) told us not to recommend the upgrade at all...but that this information never came from him. He recommended sticking with Win98SE or upgrading to Win2000 as a much more stable upgrade...but a clean install was recommended.
In my opinion, M$ tried to milk as much as possible out of the Win9x series with WinME when they probably shouldn't have. They would have been better served by puting out a new Service pack for Windows 98SE instead of releasing WinME. But then again Bill wouldn't have all those billions in his pockets...now would he!
I was a little too cheeky last night...Sorry ChiMusic.joripe said:Not as bad as u think - strip it down & its the best of the 98xx
windoze.I have used it for years since Bill unleashed it on us poor punters never had a problem with it.
I am messing with XP as well however.
Nevertheless, the idea that WinME is the worst Windows OS is not just my opinion. It's very common knowledge by programmers that WinME has some serious flaws. They tried to put a little too much advanced coding from their other main OS into it...namely WinNT. If you look at Win2000 and ME they have very similar features (they were released fairly closely). But poor Win9x just couldn't keep up with the new programming. Win2000 on the other hand does great with the new code.
Just because you never had any problems with it....I know lots of people who had horrible problems with it. BSOD's and strange unexpected crashes were common. Look on this and other forums. You will not see people recommending ME, but rather 98 or 98SE. They are considered to be the most stable OS's M$ has ever made (some even argue better than XP).
When ME came out in the US they at first offered an upgrade CD for $39.00. A little cheap for a new OS from M$..right?! As most people now know, Windows doesn't upgrade very well. A Win95 to WinME upgrade was a huge problem. Back when I used to work in a Computer store, I saw sooo many people come in with problems relating to this upgrade. It was scary. We had 10 stores in our chain and all of the staff reported the same problems. At one point, a M$ representative (whom had stopped by the store) told us not to recommend the upgrade at all...but that this information never came from him. He recommended sticking with Win98SE or upgrading to Win2000 as a much more stable upgrade...but a clean install was recommended.
In my opinion, M$ tried to milk as much as possible out of the Win9x series with WinME when they probably shouldn't have. They would have been better served by puting out a new Service pack for Windows 98SE instead of releasing WinME. But then again Bill wouldn't have all those billions in his pockets...now would he!
lore
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My mobo is a Asus (Via) K7V
1- Did not find something as "Resources controlled by"
2- I tried to assign Audigy and all other devices to other IRQs, but xp ignore any setting on ev'ry device
3- Yes now it's enabled as you asked
It just keep ignoring my setting, mobo at boot up show the list of all devices with their IRQs, here it's shown that my new setting were saved correctly...but XP doesn't care.
I'm at loss
You may get manual with info and screenshot on my mobo here:
h**p://cgi.asus.com.tw/cgi-bin/dl.asp?filename=mb/slota/k7v/k7v-101.pdf
Attached file contains all the info from the "System Information"
Thanks for your help
1- Did not find something as "Resources controlled by"
2- I tried to assign Audigy and all other devices to other IRQs, but xp ignore any setting on ev'ry device
3- Yes now it's enabled as you asked
It just keep ignoring my setting, mobo at boot up show the list of all devices with their IRQs, here it's shown that my new setting were saved correctly...but XP doesn't care.
I'm at loss
You may get manual with info and screenshot on my mobo here:
h**p://cgi.asus.com.tw/cgi-bin/dl.asp?filename=mb/slota/k7v/k7v-101.pdf
Attached file contains all the info from the "System Information"
Thanks for your help
dx
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lore
O.K...on page 62 of your manual IRQ 12 is reserved for PS2 mouse. IRQ 12 will only be available if PS2 mouse is NOT detected. IE, if you don't use a PS2 mouse, you can use this IRQ.
Move your card to PCI slot 2 (its your only PCI slot that's NOT shared {page 32}). Then in PCI configuration in BIOS {page 70} assign (PCI 2) "IRQ slot 2" from "Auto" to "12." Leave the rest in "Auto." Reboot. XP should find and reinstall the Audigy on its own...if not force it to in Device Manager.
Since this PCI slot is not shared and the Audigy is now in it...the card should be assigned to IRQ 12 now. If its still shared, let me know what its sharing with...it still might be O.K.
BTW, I did notice you might have onboard AC'97 audio (its an option)? Do you? If you do...this WILL cause you problems. You will need to disable it.
O.K...on page 62 of your manual IRQ 12 is reserved for PS2 mouse. IRQ 12 will only be available if PS2 mouse is NOT detected. IE, if you don't use a PS2 mouse, you can use this IRQ.
Move your card to PCI slot 2 (its your only PCI slot that's NOT shared {page 32}). Then in PCI configuration in BIOS {page 70} assign (PCI 2) "IRQ slot 2" from "Auto" to "12." Leave the rest in "Auto." Reboot. XP should find and reinstall the Audigy on its own...if not force it to in Device Manager.
Since this PCI slot is not shared and the Audigy is now in it...the card should be assigned to IRQ 12 now. If its still shared, let me know what its sharing with...it still might be O.K.
BTW, I did notice you might have onboard AC'97 audio (its an option)? Do you? If you do...this WILL cause you problems. You will need to disable it.
lore
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Eh eh seems win xp will win the battle...
Audigy in slot 2 and irq 12, still nothing and device manager has all option greyed out...
Tried to unplug ps2 mouse (reboot) and checked system info via keyb still on 9....
Build-in Audioboard is disabled since I installed my old Live
ACPI rulez ! Seems the only way is set it to standard pc
Audigy in slot 2 and irq 12, still nothing and device manager has all option greyed out...
Tried to unplug ps2 mouse (reboot) and checked system info via keyb still on 9....
Build-in Audioboard is disabled since I installed my old Live
ACPI rulez ! Seems the only way is set it to standard pc
dx
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You disconnected the mouse first...right? You made it sound as if you did it after the Audigy change. Because if you did it before...it will grey out your device manager. You are forcing IRQ 12 in BIOS but Windows freaks because PS2 is still connected.lore said:Eh eh seems win xp will win the battle...
Audigy in slot 2 and irq 12, still nothing and device manager has all option greyed out...
Tried to unplug ps2 mouse (reboot) and checked system info via keyb still on 9....
Build-in Audioboard is disabled since I installed my old Live
ACPI rulez ! Seems the only way is set it to standard pc
If it still isn't working, you got me. This should work. Its an old trick that usually works. That's why most Mobo manufacturers leave 1 PCI slot open (ie, not shared...usu. PCI slot 2) and IRQ 12 assigned to PS2...its for problematic cards that want their own IRQ. Its usually not a problem as cards are designed to share...but the Audigy is one of those kind of cards. I've lost count of how many Mobo's I've done this with. Its a trick I used to use when I built PC systems (still do it for fun though
).The only other suggestion is a reinstall of XP. Woody made a post about not reinstalling XP, but rather "repair" it. Read this internal link http://forum.cdrsoft.cc/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6985
lore
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You were right, I did a mistake with the mouse.
Back to irq 5 and roll back with restore to a few days ago
I repeated the whole procedure and yes something changed...bios hangs in the plug&play detecting, only way CTRL+ALT+CANC...bad luck
About XP repair...mhh...don't know...don't think will solve my problem, I read some newsgroups on k7v and found out that many people has the same prob, seems that the only way is kill ACPI. No luck this time
Thanks again for all the help
Back to irq 5 and roll back with restore to a few days ago
I repeated the whole procedure and yes something changed...bios hangs in the plug&play detecting, only way CTRL+ALT+CANC...bad luck
About XP repair...mhh...don't know...don't think will solve my problem, I read some newsgroups on k7v and found out that many people has the same prob, seems that the only way is kill ACPI. No luck this time
Thanks again for all the help
dx
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No problem for the help!lore said:You were right, I did a mistake with the mouse.
Back to irq 5 and roll back with restore to a few days ago
I repeated the whole procedure and yes something changed...bios hangs in the plug&play detecting, only way CTRL+ALT+CANC...bad luck
About XP repair...mhh...don't know...don't think will solve my problem, I read some newsgroups on k7v and found out that many people has the same prob, seems that the only way is kill ACPI. No luck this time
Thanks again for all the help
I wish it was easier than this for you...but sometimes its fun to futz with your computer. I've actually had many people ask me how to do this PCI change/fix...now it's down for all to see and try if they wish. The Live! and the Audigy are not the only problematic cards out there you know. SCSI cards benefit from this method as well (where do you think I learned how to do it?!
).Yes, its good you tried the Net for your Modo. Other users of the same Mobo are an invaluable resource. If disabling ASPI works...DO IT...its a pain anyway. Not all Mobo's can handle this though and you processor and system bus may heat up a little... so use lots of cooling.
I would still keep the Audigy in PCI 2 and IRQ 12 (with USB rodent) though. It will give you better performance with the Audigy not sharing with another onboard device. According to your manual, all your other PCI slots share with onboard devices.
Repairing Windows XP might actually help. You've been moving stuff all over the place and Windows may have freaked over it. There is only so much you can do to any O.S. before it freaks (registry, drivers, etc.) and starts causing you problems. It won't remove any of your existing software...it just reinstalls XP over itself, repairing any bad or missing files.
Good luck!
lore
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Yeah sure, maybe with a different mobo works, hope someone find this useful too....
You said there are some cooling probs if I kill ACPI, anyway if my memory is right win 98 has no ACPI so I assume that if I didn't have probs with 98 I won't have probs disabling it...is that right?
About keeping slot 2/pci 12 for me it's not possible as bios pnp detection fail to start and stucks, don't ask me why
You said there are some cooling probs if I kill ACPI, anyway if my memory is right win 98 has no ACPI so I assume that if I didn't have probs with 98 I won't have probs disabling it...is that right?
About keeping slot 2/pci 12 for me it's not possible as bios pnp detection fail to start and stucks, don't ask me why
lore
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!!! - At least one problem is solved - !!!
Ok audigy users, if you are experiencing sound skipping when playing Mp3s here is the solution:
Winamp waveout plug-in buffer must be set to 5360
dxkim at least now I can have back my 40 gb mp3 collection
I'll be posting as I find other workarounds to share
Ok audigy users, if you are experiencing sound skipping when playing Mp3s here is the solution:
Winamp waveout plug-in buffer must be set to 5360
dxkim at least now I can have back my 40 gb mp3 collection
I'll be posting as I find other workarounds to share
dx
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I'll bet we are missing something on your Mobo's BIOS settings.lore said:Yeah sure, maybe with a different mobo works, hope someone find this useful too....
You said there are some cooling probs if I kill ACPI, anyway if my memory is right win 98 has no ACPI so I assume that if I didn't have probs with 98 I won't have probs disabling it...is that right?
About keeping slot 2/pci 12 for me it's not possible as bios pnp detection fail to start and stucks, don't ask me why
Will your system boot with the Audigy in PCI slot 2, but not using IRQ 12? Still the best slot for it, as its not a shared PCI slot.
ACPI, became an option around the time Win98SE came out, but really wasn't fully implemented until Win2000 and WinME. All Windows operating systems in the near future will be using it. I don't want to go into a long discussion about it...but it does solve problems esp. for people who don't know there way around their computers. But, as you have found out, its often a pain. At least you can turn it off...but some Mobo's freak. I think your Asus will be fine though, just make sure to follow the advice of your fellow Mobo owners when doing it.
The heat issue will probably not be a biggie so long as you have decent cooling. Your system (CPU esp.) may heat up some, it varies from Mobo to Mobo design. If you use a temp monitor for your Mobo (Motherboard Monitor rocks, BTW), just keep an eye on it. If it does...just get more cooling
Another Winamp tip with mp3's while streaming...
Go to >plugins >input > MPEG audio decoder settings. Streaming buffer should be 350 or above and Streaming prebuffer should be moved up to 75-80%. Also make sure to download the latest version at Winamp.com. It has some fixes the help prevent the crackling in XP.
lore
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Audigy is on PCI 2, IRQ is set to AUTO, I'll do some testing now with games. Cubase is also a good testing proggie as sound was crackling a lot using sampler like Halion etc...latency was very good, low disk and cpu usage means pc power is enough, but sound is still not good, now I'll try with this new config plus some settings seen on Via forum.
I have a question, if I disable com1 or 2 I can free up IRQ 3 o 4, do you think it's possible use them for audigy ?
I have a question, if I disable com1 or 2 I can free up IRQ 3 o 4, do you think it's possible use them for audigy ?
dx
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I will have to check to see if those IRQ's will be accepted by the Audigy. I don't think it will. However, if you are not using those IRQ's my all means disable them and free up some IRQ's. Also disable your parallel printer port if you are using a USB printer. That's 3 IRQ's you just freed up for other devices.lore said:
Perhaps some of those (many) devices you have on IRQ 9 will jump into the empty IRQ's.
lore
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Ok, com1-2 and LPT disabled, all still on 9...
Yesterday I gave a look to steinberg (cubase) FAQ the first thing they suggest is DISABLE ACPI in 2000/XP eh eh...seems ev'rything push to do it, but I wait a while before doing it as is well known that system may crash...
I have another news that may interest: Compaq has put on their site a new version of audigy XP drivers and I've been told they works on ev'ry system too. Even though this are NEW drivers nothing is mentioned on creative's homepage...
Drivers are 400 mb (Ahhhhh) I'm at 97%...want to try evrything before killing ACPI. I tested cubase and nothing has changed with the new config, GIGAPIANO plays with glitches and noise, I hate it, I want my grandpiano back !!!!
Yesterday I gave a look to steinberg (cubase) FAQ the first thing they suggest is DISABLE ACPI in 2000/XP eh eh...seems ev'rything push to do it, but I wait a while before doing it as is well known that system may crash...
I have another news that may interest: Compaq has put on their site a new version of audigy XP drivers and I've been told they works on ev'ry system too. Even though this are NEW drivers nothing is mentioned on creative's homepage...
Drivers are 400 mb (Ahhhhh) I'm at 97%...want to try evrything before killing ACPI. I tested cubase and nothing has changed with the new config, GIGAPIANO plays with glitches and noise, I hate it, I want my grandpiano back !!!!
dx
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Sorry my friend, I should have pointed you here....lore said:Ok, com1-2 and LPT disabled, all still on 9...
Yesterday I gave a look to steinberg (cubase) FAQ the first thing they suggest is DISABLE ACPI in 2000/XP eh eh...seems ev'rything push to do it, but I wait a while before doing it as is well known that system may crash...
I have another news that may interest: Compaq has put on their site a new version of audigy XP drivers and I've been told they works on ev'ry system too. Even though this are NEW drivers nothing is mentioned on creative's homepage...
Drivers are 400 mb (Ahhhhh) I'm at 97%...want to try evrything before killing ACPI. I tested cubase and nothing has changed with the new config, GIGAPIANO plays with glitches and noise, I hate it, I want my grandpiano back !!!!
http://forum.cdrsoft.cc/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8071
Been using for 3 days now...excellent!
BTW, the reason Windows freaks about ACPI is...that it's a power savings option. If you enable it in your Mobo, Windows can then monitor the various voltages for your devices and put them in a low power cycle. Not only does this save you energy but Heat displacement as well. Most PC products (MAC too) are now designed for low voltage now thus systems can cool down. That's why Windows freaks, because some devices now require the power savings mode and Windows stops working because of it.
lore
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dx I'm going to trash this shitdigy...
I have the driver from compaq, It shows an error window saying I don't have an Audigy, if I del the ctoem.cfg it says: "missing ID file"
Gonna give up, and wait other 6 months to have an update from creative. I sent 5 mails to them, no reply, I started 2 months ago...their site claims they reply in 1-2 days, eh eh
My last mail is a fake, told them I have a big shop and won't no more install to my customers any of theirs products...
EDIT: tried to install even from audio->drivers->CTAPXX.exe it seems it is installing...then searches for ctoss.sys...blue screen memory dump, the same applies to kxproject drivers, ctoss.sys->memory dump
I have the driver from compaq, It shows an error window saying I don't have an Audigy, if I del the ctoem.cfg it says: "missing ID file"
Gonna give up, and wait other 6 months to have an update from creative. I sent 5 mails to them, no reply, I started 2 months ago...their site claims they reply in 1-2 days, eh eh
My last mail is a fake, told them I have a big shop and won't no more install to my customers any of theirs products...
EDIT: tried to install even from audio->drivers->CTAPXX.exe it seems it is installing...then searches for ctoss.sys...blue screen memory dump, the same applies to kxproject drivers, ctoss.sys->memory dump
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Re: Re: Poor Old ME
I could use a Platinum DOS but WinMe is fine for MY purposes. I almost got XP upgrade but till they start reviewing it as better for drivers I will wait.
I have had to clean registries/reformat from Win 95/98 pgms and now EVERYTHING except XP specific runs fine/GREAT except Virtual CDs. I am waitiing for the outside world to catch up again, to avoid my WinMe problems on XP. Once burned!
It is legit and I get D/L updates from MS all the time. They even snuck in 'SEND ERROR REPOT' as in XP. I catch that on OUTGOING.dxkim said:
I could use a Platinum DOS but WinMe is fine for MY purposes. I almost got XP upgrade but till they start reviewing it as better for drivers I will wait.
I have had to clean registries/reformat from Win 95/98 pgms and now EVERYTHING except XP specific runs fine/GREAT except Virtual CDs. I am waitiing for the outside world to catch up again, to avoid my WinMe problems on XP. Once burned!