Well, I loaded WinOnCd 5 and...

[LTR12101B]

Having relied on Nero 5.5 due to Easy CD Creator 4 erroring rather too much (exit crash!)....

My first thought was that it reminded me a bit of Easy Cd Creator (in layout and theme)
My second was that I didn't know where the hell I was!

The nice Audio editor - is NOT in the download version, so why they still call it "Power Edition", I don't know

It would appear that it CAN overburn (unlike ECDC)

****EDIT*****
No, the "OVERSPAN" feature is NOT overburn, but is actually a rather unique and useful option to SPLIT files across multiple CDs.
This seems often to be asked for, but until now, never found!
**** STAR FEATURE ****
So this DOES do something that none of my other programs do!


It also has a VCD player, and a CD emulator.
There also seems to be a scanner interface in some parts - for doing covers.

I hate to look a gift horse in the mouth, but the feature I was most looking forward to (the Audio Editor) is not there.
Also uses yet another "private" cd-image format, and appears to support no other


The other annoyance, is that it seems to arrow/hourglass for a LONG time on exit - the pointer still works, but it's disconcerting as no other program has ever shown that effect.


Since this version is (so it said) XP compatible, it's a nice gift for anyone stuck with just the XP features and no software


There ends the 5 minute "snapshot" - I haven't burned a CD with it yet, as I'm relatively happy with Nero - and I'm not sure this offers anything radically better - but it could be useful for some.
For me, the disappointment at what is NOT in this version, really took the shine off!

Put it this way - I'd be seriously miffed if I'd paid $40 (or equivalent) for it!
Still stands, but If I was unhappy with Nero - I'd rate this a lot higher

 

[LTR12101B]

Oops, sorry!

The Audio editor IS there, but not as a separate program - but available on a track added to a layout.
Quite well featured too...


The more you look, the more it's got, - now if I happen to find an online manual - and that means a PDF or something, not some wizard. Helpfiles are NOT generally structured to assist you if you're not sure what you're looking for in the first place.

It hides it's light under a bushel (whatever that means, I don't know), with many things (to this ECDC transferred to NERO user) seeming to be totally counter-intuitive.

It looks like it IS worth getting to know, though!

 

[php]

it does have overburn - if you use a cdr, which is smaller than the amount of files you selected, winoncd will ask you whether you want to try to overburn, then you can either say yes, no or simulate first.

winoncd is not an audio editor, so you shouldn't expect something that is not supposed to be there. after all, you don't expect nero to partition your drive, because it's a burning prog, not a partitioning prog. same with winoncd. it's a burning programme, you need audio editing, use soundforge 6.

I didn't have this arrow/hourglass problem you mention, neither with winoncd 5, nor with v.6.

it uses its own image format, so what's bad about that? all programmes, except for alcohol use their own image format, while alcohol prefers to steal from others. winoncd doesn't support other formats, because it's not necessary - everything that it does can be done within the range of its own format

 

[LTR12101B]

Well, as I later discovered - the Audio capabilities appear to be the equal (perhaps more) than "SPIN DOCTOR" in Easy CD Creator (Deluxe)

The frequency analysis is INCREDIBLE - realtime play with a "terrain plot" of frequency and time.

Denoise options (must SELECT the whole or part of track)

For an "included editor", it's really rather good.

You CAN record audio to files as well.


On the whole, features keep revealing themselves, but the ergonomics don't match the hidden power of the program.

The Hourglass - didn't notice it this time, maybe it was install-related.


The image file format - unless I'm missing something - is it's own and ONLY it's own, with (as far as I've seen), no capability to produce standard (ISO) or to accept them. I would not critizice a program for using a "private" format (though I would praise it for using a "public" one accepted by other programs), but even Easy CD creator can generate/use ISO (though with some deviation from standard)

 

[RASTABT]

php Winoncd is a burning app which contains a audio editor no one has said it was a audio editor and they work very well indeed much better then Neros audio editor but that's my view.And yes they are in there from version 3.5 up to the new version 6 has it.
Also in Soundforge you can burn also(you need audio editing, use soundforge 6) as you quoted php. Am I right in thinking your saying that one should have a dedicated Burning app and dedicated audio editor? Thats all good and well but for some just mayb wanting to mix a few tracks in or clean up a track this is very handy without the need of more complex tools like Cubase, Wavelab.Soundforge etc for the Mr /Mrs Joe Public burning out there.

 

[LTR12101B]

Yes indeed - And Photo Albums to VCD - with soundtrack as well if you choose.

I'm beginning to wonder what it can't do
As somebody was looking for in another part of forum - it has FILE PLACEMENT CONTROL - and the default seems to be "as entered" - can be VERY useful for MP3 CD building.

(Though I haven't YET found if the MP3 encoding is included, or is an extra)

http://www.cequadrat.com/productinfo.jhtml

 

[LTR12101B]

Found a link HERE
http://www.geocities.com/chrillipalmer/
How to Burn ISO with WinonCD

Procedure wouuld appear to be similal with V5, other than that PROPERTIES they mention, is on the RIGHT and called "EDITOR" until pressed.

So choose a Burn project of OTHER - Track Image
Hit the EDITOR Button (beside "TRACKS" button)
Then hit Select
Choose your filetype (ISO, RAW or *.*)
Now select your foreign image.

You have mode and blocksize choices - but for a BIN with 2352 blocksize, not sur how you'd choose between scrambled and unscrambled at that size.

Thanks to a google-found website link, I now discover it has foreign image support of the same order as (say) Nero - and far more than ECDC could ever do.

Perhaps this now belongs in the "Mastering" forum section?

 

[php]

Am I right in thinking your saying that one should have a dedicated Burning app and dedicated audio editor?

you are correct. In my opinion it's better to use a programme which concentrates on a single issue, like audio editing, burning or whatever, rather than to use a programme that can do everything, but nothing perfectly. indeed, it's also soundforge's developers way of thinking - they recognise that soundforge itself is not very good for burning, so that they released a burning app (primarily red book) a couple of days ago, if I remember correctly from what I read on the cdfreaks site

@ LTR12101B :

I see that you have already found out that winoncd can burn isos. I also didn't know first, but then I downloaded mandrake linux and there a file was included, which explained how to burn the mandrake isos with winoncd, which I did and it worked just fine. basically ISO is the basic format and every single burning app out there can handle it. the problem with iso is that it can handle only one track, so that burning soft developers had to invent their own formats, which can handle more tracks. basically, they all are compatible with the iso format. just take for example the cdrwin format - Cue/Bin. the bin file is a normal iso file, if the cd from which the image was made, contained only on track, you can delete the cue file and rename the bin file to iso extension and burn it. but if a cd contains several tracks, you will see all tracks only if you use the cue file, which tells the burning programme, where the new track starts in the iso image

 

[Master]

Sorry but i tried this cequadrat crap from the beginning (winoncdtogo/win3.1)
Tried it from version 3 to 6.
Started with a Philips cdd2000 and NEVER was happy with this software...no need to put it in the mastering section

The only good thing is the photo/vcd tool

 

[VIPER_1069]

tried winoncd when i got my first plextor it was version 3. !? it crashed my system so bad i had to reinstall so never gunna fall foul of that again

 

[puff]

Hey, I downloaded this--full version, from the promotion--and am having major problems getting it to run correctly. When I start it up, everything works fine, but if I exit the program, then start it again, it refuses to load, I get a "low resources" message, then Explorer causes an Invalid Page Fault in module Kernel32.exe, then I get the message "Error loading Explorer.exe. You must reinstall Windows." If I reboot, everythings fine again, but the same thing will happen w/WinOnCD. Again, this only happens after I quit out of the program and then launch it again. [edit--well, it's usually that way, but sometimes it happens the first time I launch it.] Any ideas? I've got Win98SE, I also have Nero installed, latest version. Thanks in advance for any help.

 

[LTR12101B]

Give it a while before retrying - are YOU seeng the arrow/hourglass effect.

Perhaps it takes some time to close fully - now that DOES remind me of why I quit using ECDC 4 - it would cause an error AFTER closing - some seconds after, in fact.


Received wisdom on ROXIO versus NERO procucts on the same machine varies from:
1. Don't do it - ever
2. Works ok if you make sure NOT to load both DirectCD and InCD
3. Use the Nero Boot menus - would also allow you to use InCD with Nero and DirectCD with ROXIO

Run the resource meter, and check resources before, during, after, and a minute after - with just my usual crap loaded, I have 63-65% free for both System and User, and 86% for GDI.
If they drop below 30, trouble is likely, if they drop below 10, trouble is more or less certain.
I just checked - opening it cost me 6% User and System, 5% GDI - and returned fully after close.

WinOnCD is a not as stable as Nero on my system ...

 

[puff]

Give it a while before retrying - are YOU seeng the arrow/hourglass effect.

Perhaps it takes some time to close fully - now that DOES remind me of why I quit using ECDC 4 - it would cause an error AFTER closing - some seconds after, in fact.

Thanks for the response. I don't think that's it--even if I wait 15 minutes this will happen, and sometimes it will happen when launching for the first time.

Received wisdom on ROXIO versus NERO procucts on the same machine varies from:
1. Don't do it - ever
2. Works ok if you make sure NOT to load both DirectCD and InCD
3. Use the Nero Boot menus - would also allow you to use InCD with Nero and DirectCD with ROXIO

I haven't tried the boot menus, but I have installed neither InCD nor DirectCD--didn't want to use them. I wonder, too, is this the kind of problem caused by conflicts between burner programs--to the point of bringing down the system.

Run the resource meter, and check resources before, during, after, and a minute after - with just my usual crap loaded, I have 63-65% free for both System and User, and 86% for GDI.
If they drop below 30, trouble is likely, if they drop below 10, trouble is more or less certain.

I already did this, and the resource meter shows nothing unusual until the app crashes--and that's when I get the "low resources" message, so it's not exactly news. I saw something in the MS Knowledge Base about the Explorer Inv. Page Fault in Kernel32.dll followed by the "must reinstall windows" message being about not having enough swap file space--this is clearly not the case, I know about my swap file and it's got about 4 gb to work with, but perhaps there's something wrong with the way the program is evaluating or allocating its memory usage--though I suspect my solution is going to be uninstalling it.

 

[Relentless]

It also does a good job of detecting tracks of whole album mp3's.

 

[stimpleton]

Thanks for the detailed info all of you, i have always for no known reason been a fan of WinonCD, i think its the first burning program i used which always makes me feel easy when using it, but i now use different progs for differing reasons
i.e. straight copies - Clone
MP3 to audio CD - Nero
DVD2SVCD image files - Vcdeasy, Nero, CDRwin
VCD or MP3 Audio compilations WinonCD

As previously stated its better to be a master of 1 and not a jack of all trades, but i must also state for the general user who is also not the master of any 1, WinonCD beats them all for general flexibility

anyway my Pink Floyd VCD collection Kicks Ass
( done by Winoncd )

 

[mag046]

I installed it on an XP Pro machine with Nero 5.5.9.17, just to test it out. I havent run into any installation, performance, or shutdown problems. I have burned 5 CDRs using it to make sure that it worked correctly, and it burnt them all with no problem at 16x. It was burning to TY 40x media using an LTR40125s. I just tried using Nero with WinOnCD installed and it burned as usual with no problems, no glitches, nothing...just burn.

I guess I just got lucky with my download and install...

 

[RASTABT]

If true B known I had NeroT INSTALLED once with my Winoncd I had no problems with my system nor my burning apps. Mind you did not try Nero did not like the look and feel of the program..Still a lot of the time it pays to read the info files and install files B4 install any program.