Second Harddisk drive....
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dx
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No, HD to HD copying will be fine. Its just harder on your system resources and not as efficient when its on the same IDE channel (especially with high performance HD's and CD drives like you have).
As Woody has pointed out, your BEST performance will occur when you separate the CDRW, DVD, and HD's. Have you tried
longer cables? Some manufacturers make them longer (Belkin
for example).
Even better....do you have an open PCI (white) slot on your
motherboard? If so, go pick up a PCI ATA-100 RAID card for
your IBM's. For about $50 USD, you can have 2 RAID channels.
Setting up RAID for your IBM 60GXP's will give you one 120Gb
RAID HD. Your performance will be greatly increased! This is the exact setup I have. It's Sweet!
As Woody has pointed out, your BEST performance will occur when you separate the CDRW, DVD, and HD's. Have you tried
longer cables? Some manufacturers make them longer (Belkin
for example).
Even better....do you have an open PCI (white) slot on your
motherboard? If so, go pick up a PCI ATA-100 RAID card for
your IBM's. For about $50 USD, you can have 2 RAID channels.
Setting up RAID for your IBM 60GXP's will give you one 120Gb
RAID HD. Your performance will be greatly increased! This is the exact setup I have. It's Sweet!
dx
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A-ha, so you do have a RAID controller!
BTW, which one?
This setup would be best and will give you best performance.
IDE1:
Pioneer DVD (Master)
IDE2:
Plex 16x10x40 (Master)
IDE3 RAID:
IBM 60GXP 60GB (Master)
IBM 60GXP 60GB (Slave)
If you RAID properly, they will show up as one 120GB drive
in Windows.
BTW, which one?
This setup would be best and will give you best performance.
IDE1:
Pioneer DVD (Master)
IDE2:
Plex 16x10x40 (Master)
IDE3 RAID:
IBM 60GXP 60GB (Master)
IBM 60GXP 60GB (Slave)
If you RAID properly, they will show up as one 120GB drive
in Windows.
I dont want to use RAID.!!!!!
I have the Highpoint HPT370 controller (I know they make lame stuff)
Is this a good setup:
IDE1:
IBM 60GXP 60GB (MASTER)
IDE2:
Plex 16x10x40 (MASTER)
Pioneer DVD (SLAVE)
IDE3:
IBM 60GXP 60GB (MASTER) <-----used to archive mp3s
IDE4:
N/A
[My mobo is ABIT KG7-RAID]
I have the Highpoint HPT370 controller (I know they make lame stuff)
Is this a good setup:
IDE1:
IBM 60GXP 60GB (MASTER)
IDE2:
Plex 16x10x40 (MASTER)
Pioneer DVD (SLAVE)
IDE3:
IBM 60GXP 60GB (MASTER) <-----used to archive mp3s
IDE4:
N/A
[My mobo is ABIT KG7-RAID]
dx
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That's O.K. you don't have to use RAID. The HPT-370 doubles as
a 2 channel (4 device) ATA-100. BTW, it's actually quite a good controller.
With this setup you are wasting the FASTEST IDE channels.
On your MoBo, IDE1 and IDE2 are ATA-33 and your IDE3 and
IDE4 are ATA-100. Your Pioneer DVD and Plex are ATA-33 (33mhz bus speed) devices and your IBM HD's are ATA-100 (100mhz bus speed). Get the point?!
Your IBM that is on IDE1 will greatly speed up if it was placed
on IDE3 (from 33 to 100mhz) . Just change ATA-100 as your
first boot device in BIOS.
This is your best solution.
IDE1:
Pioneer DVD (Master)
IDE2:
Plex 16x10x40 (Master)
IDE3:
IBM 60GXP 60GB (Master)...your App drive
IDE4:
IBM 60GXP 60GB (Master)...your mp3 drive
a 2 channel (4 device) ATA-100. BTW, it's actually quite a good controller.
With this setup you are wasting the FASTEST IDE channels.
On your MoBo, IDE1 and IDE2 are ATA-33 and your IDE3 and
IDE4 are ATA-100. Your Pioneer DVD and Plex are ATA-33 (33mhz bus speed) devices and your IBM HD's are ATA-100 (100mhz bus speed). Get the point?!
Your IBM that is on IDE1 will greatly speed up if it was placed
on IDE3 (from 33 to 100mhz) . Just change ATA-100 as your
first boot device in BIOS.
This is your best solution.
IDE1:
Pioneer DVD (Master)
IDE2:
Plex 16x10x40 (Master)
IDE3:
IBM 60GXP 60GB (Master)...your App drive
IDE4:
IBM 60GXP 60GB (Master)...your mp3 drive
dx
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Yes, I stand corrected. Just looked it up. All 4 channels are ATA-100, 2 channels are Abit Busmaster and 2 are Highpoint Busmaster.
However, your HPT-370 will not like the ATA-33 devices very
well. This has been well documented by many using your MoBo
(even ABIT). Look around the Internet! It seems that HPT-370 likes to go as fast as it can. So if you put an ATA-33 device on it,
it slows all devices in the chain to 33mhz. Actually, this will also happen on your Abit Busmaster IDE1 & 2 as well, but Highpoint
is just more finicky as its optimized better for ATA-100 bus
speed.
So my advice still stands. Use all 4 channels for each of your devices, but save the Highpoint channels IDE3 & 4 for
your HD's.
BTW, I have the ABIT KR7A-RAID (just revision A of KT266, which you have). My setup is what ABIT and others reccomended (this is last advice I gave you). Only difference is that I RAID 2 IBM HD's on IDE3 and put another HD for mp3's on IDE 4. Never had
a problem with my setup. All work fine.
However, your HPT-370 will not like the ATA-33 devices very
well. This has been well documented by many using your MoBo
(even ABIT). Look around the Internet! It seems that HPT-370 likes to go as fast as it can. So if you put an ATA-33 device on it,
it slows all devices in the chain to 33mhz. Actually, this will also happen on your Abit Busmaster IDE1 & 2 as well, but Highpoint
is just more finicky as its optimized better for ATA-100 bus
speed.
So my advice still stands. Use all 4 channels for each of your devices, but save the Highpoint channels IDE3 & 4 for
your HD's.
BTW, I have the ABIT KR7A-RAID (just revision A of KT266, which you have). My setup is what ABIT and others reccomended (this is last advice I gave you). Only difference is that I RAID 2 IBM HD's on IDE3 and put another HD for mp3's on IDE 4. Never had
a problem with my setup. All work fine.
"However, your HPT-370 will not like the ATA-33 devices very
well. This has been well documented by many using your MoBo
(even ABIT). Look around the Internet! It seems that HPT-370 likes to go as fast as it can. So if you put an ATA-33 device on it,
it slows all devices in the chain to 33mhz. Actually, this will also happen on your Abit Busmaster IDE1 & 2 as well, but Highpoint
is just more finicky as its optimized better for ATA-100 bus
speed."
Im not putting any ATA-33 devices on the HPT-370 controller (IDE3/IDE4).
All my slow devices (such as dvd/cdrw) are on IDE2.
i dont follow you there mate???????????
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"Your IBM that is on IDE1 will greatly speed up if it was placed
on IDE3 (from 33 to 100mhz) . Just change ATA-100 as your
first boot device in BIOS."
All channels are ATA-100!!!!
Are you saying that my IBM ATA-100 on IDE1 is running at ATA-33 (33mhz) and not at ATA100 (100mhz)?
well. This has been well documented by many using your MoBo
(even ABIT). Look around the Internet! It seems that HPT-370 likes to go as fast as it can. So if you put an ATA-33 device on it,
it slows all devices in the chain to 33mhz. Actually, this will also happen on your Abit Busmaster IDE1 & 2 as well, but Highpoint
is just more finicky as its optimized better for ATA-100 bus
speed."
Im not putting any ATA-33 devices on the HPT-370 controller (IDE3/IDE4).
All my slow devices (such as dvd/cdrw) are on IDE2.
i dont follow you there mate???????????
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"Your IBM that is on IDE1 will greatly speed up if it was placed
on IDE3 (from 33 to 100mhz) . Just change ATA-100 as your
first boot device in BIOS."
All channels are ATA-100!!!!
Are you saying that my IBM ATA-100 on IDE1 is running at ATA-33 (33mhz) and not at ATA100 (100mhz)?
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Snoppen
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Hey Maxamus....
You have already got the maxamus answer.Follow dxkim`s sollution whit Raid(stripe i think) and try it and if it doesn`t work for you, try some of the others.But If you want to squeze as much as you can of your mb and hd you should go for stripe, PERIOD.The rest is in previous answers.
<<< Snoppen >>>
ps.if your not satisfied whit all the answers you got = dont change it, if it works.
You have already got the maxamus answer.Follow dxkim`s sollution whit Raid(stripe i think) and try it and if it doesn`t work for you, try some of the others.But If you want to squeze as much as you can of your mb and hd you should go for stripe, PERIOD.The rest is in previous answers.
<<< Snoppen >>>
ps.if your not satisfied whit all the answers you got = dont change it, if it works.
dx
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O.K. one more try...
You have 4 IDE channels. 2 Abit and 2 Highpoint.
USE ALL 4 CHANNELS!!!!!!!!!!!
Why, because it will give you best compatability and
performance.
Seperating DVD and CD-ROM is always a good idea
if you can do it. Look at your Pioneer and Plex manuals
they strongly reccommend you set them as MASTERS or
ALONE on an IDE channel (especially Plex). Since, they
can't both be masters...
..IDE1 DVD and IDE2 CDRW (or vice versa).
As I stated before, you do not want DVD and CDRW to share
same channel with your IBM's as they will just slow your HD's
down.
Also as I said before, these drives (DVD and CDRW) are
ATA-33 and they do not work well on HPT-370 (read FAQ in
your manual or on ABIT Website). So keep them off these channels.
Now, since you already are using IDE1 and 2...
...IDE3 and 4 for your IBM HD's.
I don't know where you got the idea that your Highpoint
IDE sucks, but its actually BETTER that your Abit IDE. If you
don't use HPT-370, you are wasting your FASTEST IDE
channels.
Again, you don't have to do this, YOUR CURRENT SETUP IS FINE.
However, if you want BEST PERFORMANCE and SYSTEM COMPATABILITY (and who doesn't) the purchase of extra IDE cables (if you even need to) as its worth the performance gain.
O.K.?!
You have 4 IDE channels. 2 Abit and 2 Highpoint.
USE ALL 4 CHANNELS!!!!!!!!!!!
Why, because it will give you best compatability and
performance.
Seperating DVD and CD-ROM is always a good idea
if you can do it. Look at your Pioneer and Plex manuals
they strongly reccommend you set them as MASTERS or
ALONE on an IDE channel (especially Plex). Since, they
can't both be masters...
..IDE1 DVD and IDE2 CDRW (or vice versa).
As I stated before, you do not want DVD and CDRW to share
same channel with your IBM's as they will just slow your HD's
down.
Also as I said before, these drives (DVD and CDRW) are
ATA-33 and they do not work well on HPT-370 (read FAQ in
your manual or on ABIT Website). So keep them off these channels.
Now, since you already are using IDE1 and 2...
...IDE3 and 4 for your IBM HD's.
I don't know where you got the idea that your Highpoint
IDE sucks, but its actually BETTER that your Abit IDE. If you
don't use HPT-370, you are wasting your FASTEST IDE
channels.
Again, you don't have to do this, YOUR CURRENT SETUP IS FINE.
However, if you want BEST PERFORMANCE and SYSTEM COMPATABILITY (and who doesn't) the purchase of extra IDE cables (if you even need to) as its worth the performance gain.
O.K.?!
Woo-hoo my first post
Maximus, I agree with dxkim. You should follow his advice if you want performance system.
I have very same motherboard as you. I did much searching to configure it. Same advice from dxkim is what I did.
IDE 1 - Toshiba DVD-Rom
IDE 2 - Plextor 241040
IDE 3 - 2 x IBM 75GXP 46mb in RAID configuration
IDE 4 - NOT USED
If you do not want RAID, then Master and Slave your IBM's
on same channel OR put them on IDE 3 and IDE 4 as was suggested.
Your Highpoint controller -IDE 3 and 4- is a great controller
and is better that Abit's built in IDE. Abit's is built for compatability
not speed. But Highpoint's is built for speed. Check the Net for reviews, Highpoint IDE scores mostly on top.
Maximus, I agree with dxkim. You should follow his advice if you want performance system.
I have very same motherboard as you. I did much searching to configure it. Same advice from dxkim is what I did.
IDE 1 - Toshiba DVD-Rom
IDE 2 - Plextor 241040
IDE 3 - 2 x IBM 75GXP 46mb in RAID configuration
IDE 4 - NOT USED
If you do not want RAID, then Master and Slave your IBM's
on same channel OR put them on IDE 3 and IDE 4 as was suggested.
Your Highpoint controller -IDE 3 and 4- is a great controller
and is better that Abit's built in IDE. Abit's is built for compatability
not speed. But Highpoint's is built for speed. Check the Net for reviews, Highpoint IDE scores mostly on top.
Ok ive followed dxkim and have set it up.
There is 1 thing i have noticed, and that is that in the properties of the IBM HDD on IDE3, i cant enable "write cashe"...is that normal?
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ive put my dvd drive on the 80pin ribbon cables, is that ok?
There is 1 thing i have noticed, and that is that in the properties of the IBM HDD on IDE3, i cant enable "write cashe"...is that normal?
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ive put my dvd drive on the 80pin ribbon cables, is that ok?
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dx
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What operating system are you using? I'm using XP I'm showing
my IBM's ARE optimized (enabled) for performance cache. It is greyed out though.
Have you updated your HPT-370 Driver? New version 2.0 is now on Abit website. Highly recommended for WinXP.
Here is a trick to be sure. Go to IBM.com and pickup a proggie named IBMDFTOOL (its in the Hard Drive pages). This proggie
will boot to DOS (its built in) and you can force drive to enable cache. This proggie is a great tool and can do many other optimizations as well.
Yes, you can use 80 pin cable with your DVD. It's actually better that your standard cable. But, there's no harm in using it. Just make sure to use 80 pin cables on your IBM's!