Hmmm... decisions, decisions. Help.

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elpresidente

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hey mate ... haha ... hmm.. I think Pioneer s DVR A04/104 and ASUS DVR 104 is the same product (even the same name) !! ... *lol* ...

btw. 100% agree with Daveml and TAZ

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Taz69

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Sorry Shoebedobedoo I had not noticed that Asus are bringing out a DVD-R/RW drive and had assumed incorrectly that you were talking about a CD-R/RW drive and possible about the RCE protection.

Mind you it looks as if the Asus DVR-104 is just a re-badged Pioneer DVR-104 looking at the pictures & spec sheet.

Most of what I said about single layer DVDs being copied 1:1 with just using SmartRipper or DVD Decrypter to remove the encryption & macrovision stands.

Also if the DVD is a dual layer disc with more than 4.7 Gig then it wont fit directly onto a DVD 1:1 without either stripping out some of the extras or re-encoding parts of it still are applicable.

Wow just looked back at what I wrote and I see alot of input is coming on this thread. Please disregard anything here that has already been said...
 
VIPER_1069

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@ DAVE ive copied loads of films and stuff inthe past macro vision is just some crap they came up with it basically fades and draws and flickers and flashes the recorded image when you copy from a macro protected source either a vhs video or a dvd mate as ya well know its easily defeated with a bug blaster or stabilizer or a chip in the dvd home player or even a simple diode cut in some hme players! or even simpler a handset code is possible too to access hidden engineers menus as ive found codes to do such a job for a pioneer if i remember rightly but was a while back so dont ask me for model lol ;)

Another way to defeat this is mentioned above most good DVD rippers will remove it when ripping the disk for a vcd and i personally defeated it on playback with my tosh 1502 in my puter with older drivers and dlls for my graphics cards DVD playback ;)

note:- here that MACRO VISION is no wonderous copy protection it does not and will not ever STOP duplication of the actual disk it will of course be copied 1:1 in its entire format MACRO VISION included 1:1 it will not stop duplication like safedisk does with data!!

its mearly a protection to stop dumping copies to VHS and mass distribution of import titles !!!

I also know that there are copy programs specifically made to remove the so called wonderous MACRO VISION protection when the DVD is duplicated thus cuttin out the need for any stabilization modification of the player its removed when the DVD is imaged to the hard disk !!!, as it is with DVD to divx/vcd ripping (this is one of the breaches that the cracking group D.O.D /drink or die.. got busted for along with games distribution f.y.i !! ) they made the D.O.D speed ripper and a few other tools including software that allowed MACRO removal !! ;)


there are lots of stuff on this in various forums etc and they all pretty much say the same MACRO VISION sucks lol ;)
 
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Shoebedobedoo

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This is why I refuse to buy a DVD burner. I can backup literally any DVD using DVD2SVCD& DVD Decrypter. The question here is how "tough" is Macrovision DVD protection? If it's anything like their cd protection, then making 1:1 backups would be a nightmare:eek: Macrovision Safedisc 2.4 virtually eliminated many writers to make pc gaming 1:1 backups, and the latest version is 2.72 found on Madden NFL 2003. I don't understand why Macrovision don't use "tough" protection on DVD's?

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daveml

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At the moment it is impossible to have the same protection you find on software to protect vcd/dvd.
U can be sure theyre looking for away to do it.
They know they are screwed as the first divx players will be out by the end of the year.
Then their problems will really start.
Their only protection at the moment is region locked and macrovision.
Both methods are easily by-passed.
Total waste of time , thank God.

BTW if u can make a vcd/svcd of a dvd then u can burn a dvd-r of the same movie.
Its the same process just higher quality output.

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Shoebedobedoo

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dave,
Thanks for information, much appreciated m8 :D Sounds like to me buying a DVD burner= waste of money. As dave said, even if you can burn your SVCD or VCD to a dvd-r, someone is spending lotsa dough just to get the movie on 1 disc, rather than 2-4 discs(SVCD, VCD) :D


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elpresidente

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hmm...
not a waste of money ... cause some guys out there (including me) prefer high quality movies with high quality sound (and 2 languages) on one disc ... it´s also possible to put some VCDs on one disc .. or svcds....

btw . DVD-R recorder costs about 269$ media 1$

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Shoebedobedoo

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I, nor any of my friends owns a DVD burner so I can't comment on how great video& audio quality is(which I assume it's "perfect"). I can tell you DVD2SVCD produces superior video& audio quality. In fact, the video quality is "near" DVD quality:D

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Taz69

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I'm not knocking the quality of any CD based rips but I have just played my DVD-R rip of Lord of the Rings followed by playing the original and you would be really hard pusher to tell the difference.
(After I had swapped discs a few times at different points in the film I had to look at the disc left on my desk to make sure which version I was watching).

I have also included all menus, original audio, subtitles and even the copyright message and re-built the whole DVD using Maestro and the only differences are changes I have made to the navigation such as being able to skip the copyright message (which I have included) or shortening the time before you can select from an option from a menu.
The quality can be that good if you've got the time to re-build a DVD.
Also my DVD rip is region free; has no macrovision and should play in any DVD Player because I've also taken the time to test several DVD-Rs and find a brand which works on different machines.
(Traxdata & Intenso 1x DVD-Rs are pretty cheap and DVD player friendly)

I guess it is as daveml said 'you pay your money and you takes your choice.'
 
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Shoebedobedoo

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Asus 1st choice, Pioneer 2nd choice

thorz,
My final conclusion, if you think you "might" have to make a game cd backup, then definately go with the Asus :D. If not, then go with the Pioneer.

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elpresidente

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he ?
hey mate ... we r still talking about the DVD Writer ? or ?
If yes ... I think u ´ve skipped some posts ..cause I´ve already mentioned that Pioneer and Asus r offering the same drive in a different package ?! ...
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It has been a nice thread, lots of information. Its good to see that the Pioneer and the Asus at the end apears to be the same drive. I have leave the order for the Pioneer, it is already in the aproval process by the company.

I don't think that a DVD-RW drive is a waste of money. Think about it: It is not only movies that you are going to record wit this baby, it is all that Gigas of INFO and DATA. I am tired of having to strip my backups for they fit on CD-Rs, and when I record my programs on cds. And the amount of video that you can have in these things (I remember all that I do some work with DV and this takes LOTS of space).

And about the games thing Shoebedobedoo: I own a LiteOn 24102b burner that can record almost everything that I throw on it, I think and for all the things that I have read, that this drive is from the best out there for backung up gammes. I am not sure how it goes with the new protections. I think there is a protection that NONE drive can defeat already, I don't remember the name but it apears with all the "skulls" in ClonyXXL when you insert this kind of disk, please if someone remembers the name, post it. And if the Pioneer and the Asus are effectively the same drive, then BOTH can copy the same stuff Shoebe, and if the Pioneer cannot copy something, then I doubt that the Asus can do it. Anyway, Asus is a great mark also, and it makes wonderful CD-RW too, so sure that the DVD-RW drive must be very good also. But I have had a Pioneer 106s DVD-ROM for some time and I love it. Slot bassed and can play all my games backed up with my Litey.

I didn't want to disturb the buy aproving process for the DVD-RW that already was on its way, as I told here, if I don't use the chance NOW it will ve very difficult to have ot later.
 
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Shoebedobedoo

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elpresidente,
If that's the case, then the Pioneer "should" be able to copy latest cd copy protection? (Safedisc 2.4-2.72& SecuROM3 *new*)?
I visit many forums and have never seen the Pioneer recommended concerning pc game protection, but have seen the Asus :D

thorz,
The LiteOn drives (CDRW) had some troubles with Warcraft III& Neverwinter Nights, but pc " geeks" figured out how to burn using the LiteOn. The Asus 40/48x are the best drives at present for pc game protection :D I'm not convinced the Pioneer& Asus are the same drives..

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elpresidente

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I don´t think that somebody recommends an 8x speed CDr mate ...
I don´t think that we r talking about the same drive ....
elpresidente is talking about ASUS DVR-104 .... --> 8x cdr recording 4x cdRW recording 2x DVDR recording 1x DVD-RW recording ....
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Shoebedobedoo

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>>>> Is talking about the ASUS DVR-104 vs. Pioneer DVR-A04
>>>>elpresidente says these 2 drives are the same, just rebagged
>>>>> Shoebedobedoo doesn't think so :D

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daveml

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As u r not after a burner to copy games, the safedisc issue is not important.
After searching the forum, people seem very happy with the Pioneer, our resident dvd expert recommends it and there r plenty of posts and info to help u get into burning dvds with it.
While shoeby may or maybe not be right, the consensus seems to be to go for the pioneer.
However the choice is yours!
 
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elpresidente

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DVR 104

hmm...mate ..decide yourself if it is the same or not ...

some facts ....

same name DVR-104
same specs
same design


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