Hmmm... decisions, decisions. Help.

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I have the chance to ask my company for a DVD writer. Its for me to use ot home and must probably I can keep it after. I must order it now, if not I will lost the chance.

After reading a lot here I could see that DVD-R is the format that most people here prefer. But I would like to know why? What are the advantages over the other (or others)? Price of the media? Compatibility?

I have seen that the Pioneer DVR-A04 is very recommended. Am I safe going for this drive?

My interest is must focused on working woth miniDV video to DVD. It must be compatible with PC players (DVD-ROM) and could be nice to use it in my stand alone too (I am checking later the elpresidente's list). Off course I would like to copy DVD movies too (or rip them in good quality if they don't fit).

Do you think that the Pioneer could cover my needs?

I have Nero now, but have never use it burning DVD so I don't know if its a good choice, but I think that can be another thread.

Thank you very much for your answers... as always!
 
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hey mate ...

the DVD player list is out of date .... cause the new standalone players r able to read DVDR ... even the cheapest one ....

DVD-R is a good choice ... cause the media costs 1/3 of DVD+R media ... just take a look @ w*w.shop4tech.com.

compatibility isn´t a problem with both standards I think ... but I would go for DVD-R/RW drive ... Pioneer A04/104 ..best choice I think..

üsse
 
First I would like to say that I own a Pioneer A04 drive.
It's my first DVD burner but I'm very happy with it, works from the start since I installed it (even in UDMA mode).

I have read alot about DVD-R and +R and almost everyone tells you that DVD-R is the most compatible standard. But still the DVD+R standard is the most common nowdays. All drives that come out from the big manufacturers like Sony, Philips and HP etc. are all DVD+R\RW.

My choice for the Pioneer was because at that moment DVD+R wasn't available for a reasenable price and almost everyone recommended this drive. As long as there will be DVD-R\RW discs to buy, I don't have to go with the DVD+R\RW standard which is beeing forced onto the consumer.

Make a choice but be aware not to buy an older drive which only supports DVD+RW.

Cheers
 
Is there probs for having the Pioneers in UDMA2? I don't have more space in my IDE channels and was thinking to put it as slave of my hard disk. I know, I know... don't yell at me now. But I don't have more space. This is my setup now:
IDE 0: Master: HD ATA/100 UDMA5 Slave: Empty
IDE 1: Master: Pioneer 106s DVD-ROM UDMA4 Slave: LiteOn CD-RW 24102b UDMA2.

Any ideas of a better setup?
 
Yes joripe, that one looks nicer to me after thinking about it. I don't have a RAID controler onboard, if I have had it I just puted the HD on the RAID as an ATA controler. My last board (A7V133A-RAID) had it and it was working like this like a charm with 2 40GB HDs in a RAID0 strip.
 
thorz : I will also recommend the Pioneer DVR 104 as it is an excellent drive and as long as you are carefull about which media you choose you'll be able to watch your DVD-R videos/rips on a standalone player without any problems.

If I understand that you'll be wanting to convert films from a DV camera as well as ripping DVD movies I'm afraid you'll need a bit more software than Nero.

For burning your DVD-Rs I would recommend RecordNow MAX as I have found it to be much more reliable than Nero and it has served me well.

Depending on the complexity of your projects you might be able to get away with one of the consumer DVD authoring packages which can import and convert your mini DV footage to Mpeg 2 including a few menus.

Otherwise also need video editing software so that you can import your mini DV footage into your computer and edit it. I think most video editing packages have a mpeg 2 encoder or one is available as an additional plugin

You will also need a Firewire card to connect your camcorder/Mini DV player to your PC and not forgetting DVD Authoring software such as Maestro for compiling your DVDs (comes in handy for compiling your own rips as well ;)

As well as the guides and tutorials here you might want to look at Doom9's site (w*W.Doom9.org) as this specialises on most formats of digital films available.


PS termill : Just because the Major manufacturers are pushing DVD+R/RW it doesn't look as if many people are buying.

From responces in this and other forums as well as the availability of DVD-R discs at a local computer fair I think you might find that DVD+R/RW ends up being the computer equivilant of the Betamax video recorder.
 
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Shoebedobedoo

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If your going to copy DVD's, then you'll eventually run into Macrovision DVD protection. My strong suggestion at present is an Asus. The Asus cdrw's can get around any most pc game protection, but Asus will be "target" soon, as LiteOn cdrw's are at present being targeted by Macrovision, other companies.

Shoebedobedoo:cool:
 
Thanks a lot Taz69, your software recommendations for DVD authoring can be very handy. I have already some video editing applications (Vegas Video and looking for Studio 8 for testing it, but have nor found it yet). I really prefer to import my video and after editing it passing it to MPEG2 with TMPEnc plus as it guves supperb quality, much bertter than other programs, but I have not test Vegas recording directly to MPEG2. I am using the Audigy's firewire at this moment and it works ok.

Shoebedobedoo: I didn't catch you well, you recommend an Asus but you speak about CDRW? I have already a LiteOn 24102b that can handle almost anything with CloneCD, but don't know what you mean with the Macrovision topic. As I understand you can defeat Macrovision with software (I do it all the time when I am riping DVDs to DiVX with SmartRipper). Do you recommend ASUS DVD recorder? I think the Pioneer sigestion is very tested already, and it is not so expensive here (the bulk model) so I must probably go for that one.
 
As a final recommendation you might want to try CCE instead of TMPEnc plus. I think by popular opion it has to be said that nothing can match it for speed and quality.

Even using VFAPIConv to assist re-encoding my M2V streams I can usuaLLY encode a 2 hour film in under 2 hours (1 pass vbr) and the quality is good enough that I don't feel the need to do a second or third pass.
 
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Asus DVD-104

thorz,
What I mean is if your going to try to make 1:1 backups of DVD's, then I recommend the Asus DVD drive. DVD to DivX won't allow you to play the cd-r's on a standard DVD player but if you went DVD2SVCD, then you're good to go. Macrovision already announced some of their protection on upcoming releases (XXX, Stuart Little 2), just to name a few. Just as LiteOn cdrw's are already being targeted as far as backing up pc protected games, so will DVD writers. My Asus CRW-4012a can literally copy anything, but Asus will become a "target" soon. I agree with Taz as far as backing up a DVD (SVCD). The Cinema Craft Encoder produces near DVD quality and I have yet to find a better program than DVD2SVCD for my backups.

Asus DVD-104 review:
/http://www.asus.com.tw/optical/dvr-104/overview.htm

Shoebedobedoo:cool:
 
I see shoebe

So the Pioneer can not handle DVD copy as the Asus? Is really the Asus better than the Pioneer. There is lots of folks here that speak well of the Pioneer, I was thinking it was from the best out there, but if you say that the Asus drive manages better DVD copy protection...

Any other with an opinion about this?
 
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Shoebedobedoo

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thorz,
I have no clue if the Pioneer recommended here can get around Macrovision DVD protection. Concerning this matter, you might ask woody (moderator) or ChickenMan, shadow_phantom :D
There is a lot of money being spent here, so I would really do some research before buying and at least consider the Asus DVD-104.

Shoebedobedoo:cool:
 
Macrovision is a software protection and can be removed by software.
It does not affect ripping , only playback.
It is designed to stop u recording to videotape and not to stop the ripping of a dvd.
It is easily removed.
Macrovision may be bringing out other protection for their dvds in their stable, but these are not "macrovision copy protection" as is univerasally recognised.

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Yeah man, you are right. It is not me that is going to pay for it, but I consider that it going to belong to me after some time of use.
So about the Macrovosion issue pointed by Shoebedobedoo, Pioneer owners and haters, what do you all say?
I still have time to change the form that I just filled out this morning for the Pioneer aproval... but it has to be fast. I can find the Asus here also, they have virtually the same price here.
 
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Shoebedobedoo

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Macrovision DVD copy protection

dave,
Are you saying any DVD burner can make a 1:1 backup of any DVD on the market?

Macrovision DVD copy protection:

Columbia TriStar Renews Contract to Use Macrovision's DVD Copy Protection
Friday, 26 July 2002

Macrovision Corporation (Nasdaq:MVSN) announced today that Columbia TriStar Home Entertainment, a division of Sony Pictures Entertainment, Inc., has signed a multi-year contract renewal to utilize Macrovision's DVD copy protection technology.
Columbia TriStar Home Entertainment (CTHE) has several hit titles due for home video release in the next several months including Spiderman, Stuart Little 2, Men in Black II, and XXX. By continuing to use our technology to thwart unauthorized consumer attempts to make DVD-to-VHS and DVD-to-recordable DVD copies, CTHE is making a very strong statement about protecting its intellectual property and supporting the retail channels," said Bill Krepick, President and CEO of Macrovision.

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http://forum.cdrsoft.cc/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12849&highlight=macrovision

Shoebedobedoo:cool:
 
Shoebedobedoo might have his wires crossed here and talking about DVD > VCD or SVCD which means crunching & usually splitting the film down so that it will fit on a CD-R/RW and converting to a different format which just happens to play on some DVD players.

A true DVD Rip is either a 1:1 copy (for single layer discs) or stripping, crunching and re-authoring so that the DVD will fit on a single layer DVD (4.7 Gigs is quoted but that means 4,7000,000 Kilobytes which equals about 4.35 Gig) and is in exactly the same format as a DVD Video and requires a DVD-R/RW or DVD+R/RW drive to burn the film to DVD-R/RW or DVD+R/RW disc.

Note : Even with a single layer disc you'll need to use DVD Decryptor or SmartRipper to rip the film to your hard drive and remove the encryption before burning to a DVD-R/RW or +R/RW

I think that Shoebedobedoo might be talking about the new RCE protection which is meant to prevent playing region 1 discs on multiregion DVD Players to prevent importing DVD films from one region to another.

Please see the attached warning from w*w.Play.com
Please Note: Regional Coding Enhancement (RCE) has recently been added by Warner and Columbia to certain Region 1 DVD’s. RCE will prevent the DVD from playing on some “Multi-Region” DVD players. If you are in any doubt that your player may not be able to play RCE DVD’s, we recommend that you do not order this title, as we are unable to accept returned RCE DVD’s.
 
No. Most dvds have more info on them than can fit on any dvd-r.
However macrovision cp is nothing to do with this.
It is a scrambler system, similar to what sky and cable operators use on their pay per view broadcasts to stop u videotaping them.
Most dvdrippers (in fact all that are any use) remove macrovision with no problem at all.
It is the weakest copy protection in use today.
I love it!!

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Shoebedobedoo

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Taz69,
For your information I've ripped over 50 DVD's and converted to (SVCD) using DVD2SVCD format. I'm talking about a DVD 1:1 backup. Are your wires crossed? If Macrovision DVD copy protection poses no problems for 1:1 backups, then maybe the Pioneer is the best choice here.

Shoebedobedoo:cool:
 
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Shoebedobedoo

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thorz,
Here's some information directly fro Macrovision main website.

Copy Protection
Video Copy Protection
Macrovision's copy protection technologies are designed to allow content owners to protect their videocassettes, digital Pay-Per-View (PPV) programs and Digital Video Discs (DVD) from unauthorized recording on VCRs. Major Hollywood studios, independent home video companies, and special interest, corporate, and educational program providers use the company's videocassette copy protection technology to protect against unauthorized home copying of rental and sell-through videos.
An enhanced version of the company's copy protection technology is licensed to satellite, telco and cable operators to prevent unauthorized recording of digital PPV programs. The same technology is incorporated in all DVD players to protect against unauthorized recording of DVD programming.
Promoting Copy Protection Usage

More and more rights owners are promoting their copy protection usage to retailers, distributors, and end users, in order to increase sales and reduce copying. Major studios and other rights owners now routinely utilize the triangular copy protection logo to advertise their copy protection usage in trade publications. Others use a video leader on the programs themselves to inform viewers a program is copy protected. The video leader has been applied to over 30 million videos to date.
Digital Video Disc Copy Protection Process
The DVD format gives consumers access to superb quality video programming. However, this format also allows individuals to make commercial-quality VHS recordings from any unprotected DVD program. This form of unauthorized copying poses a new and significant challenge for rights owners who want to protect their videocassette business and the profitability of the retailers with whom they work. Fortunately, Macrovision has developed an enhanced version of its copy protection process that helps allow rights owners to thwart unauthorized copying.
The DVD copy protection process is activated during DVD authoring, and is transparent to the picture on original disc playback. However, when individuals attempt to make a copy on a VCR, the technology is designed to distort the unauthorized copy to such an extent that the copy will generally have no entertainment value.
How Does DVD Copy Protection Work?
Rights owners seeking to copy protect their programs would instruct their authoring facility to set certain digital-analog copy protection trigger bits to "on." When the disc is played back in a consumer's home, these trigger bits activate a Macrovision-enabled digital-analog converter chip inside the player. The chip then applies copy protection to the analog output of the DVD player. This allows for transparent viewing of the original program, but causes copies made on most VCRs to be substantially degraded.
DVD IC Suppliers and Player Manufacturers
Manufacturers of digital analog converter chips are authorized by Macrovision to include DVD copy protection capability. There are currently 45 IC manufacturers authorized to include Macrovision's copy protection capability in their circuits. DVD player manufacturers are in turn licensed by Macrovision to purchase copy-protection-capable circuits and include copy protection capability in their hardware.
DVD Rights Owners, Authoring Facilities and Replicators
Rights owners are licensed by Macrovision to utilize Macrovision's DVD copy protection on their program material. These companies pay Macrovision on a per-disc basis according to a set price sheet, based on volumes reported by their replicator(s). To use Macrovision's DVD copy protection, rights owners must complete a usage agreement with Macrovision, then instruct their authoring facility to set the Macrovision copy protection control bits to "on" during the DVD authoring process.
DVD authoring facilities are authorized by Macrovision to set the Macrovision DVD copy protection control bits to "on" for licensed rights owners. DVD replicators are authorized by Macrovision to replicate copy protected discs. Replicators report volumes of copy protected discs back to Macrovision and rights owners are billed based upon on these reports.
Pay-Per-View Copy Protection Process
The increased availability of digital-quality movies and events on direct broadcast satellite and digital cable systems raises an important challenge for the pay-per-view (PPV) industry. Specifically, many consumers can now make commercial-quality copies of PPV movies with the simple press of their VCR record button. These copies, when passed onto friends, neighbors, and co-workers, can displace both video store rentals and initial and repeat PPV purchases.
Fortunately, there is a solution. Macrovision PPV copy protection degrades unauthorized copies made on most VCRs, without impacting the quality of the original picture. Included in most digital set-top decoders distributed throughout the world, the technology is poised to play a key role in the growth of the PPV industry.
How It Works
PPV copy protection allows consumers to view, but not record, programs that are distributed via digital set-top decoders. To apply copy protection to a specific program, the direct broadcast satellite (DBS) operator or cable system operator transmits a software command from the uplink center or headend to its set-top decoders. An integrated circuit inside the decoder receives the command and adds the copy protection waveform to the analog video destined for the TV. The copy protected signal is transparent on original program viewing, but causes copies made on the majority of VCRs to degrade to the extent that they no longer have entertainment value. Macrovision's PPV copy protection technology degrades unauthorized copies on approximately 95 percent of the TV and VCR combinations in the market today.
Business Model
Macrovision works with a variety of semiconductor manufacturers to provide copy protection capability within digital-to-analog integrated circuits. Over 50 companies currently manufacture Macrovision-capable integrated circuits.
Set-top decoder manufacturers provide copy protection capability by incorporating copy protection-capable integrated circuits in their decoders. Over 47 companies presently manufacture copy protection-capable digital set-top decoders.
In turn, DBS and digital cable operators are licensed by Macrovision to receive copy protection-capable set-top decoders and to activate copy protection on specific PPV and pay television programming. Licensees include Americast, Astro, BSkyB, DIRECTV (U.S.A.), DIRECTV (Japan), EchoStar, Galaxy Latin America, Hongkong Telecom, Kirch Group, PerfecTV!, and Sky Latin America.. PerfecTV! currently applies copy protection to 13 channels of PPV and pay television programming and Hongkong Telecom and Singapore Telecom apply copy protection to 100% of their Video-On-Demand programming. BskyB, Singapore Telecom, CWC and VNL activated Macrovision copy protection on their PPV programs.
Current Status
Over 20 million households worldwide currently have copy protection-capable set-top decoders. Virtually all digital set-tops in North America have copy protection capability, as do the majority of digital set-tops in international markets.
/http://www.macrovision.com/solutions/video/copyprotect/index.php3

Shoebedobedoo:cool:
 
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