So, whats your no. 1 movie of all time?

Blade Runner

The Shining

Dr. Strangelove

The Good, the Bad & the Ugly

Bergman's The Magician & Fanny and Alexander

Fellini's 81/2

Woody Allen's Love & Death and Stardust Memories

P.S.: Many people see Blade Runner as just another sci-fi shoot'em-up extravaganza, but it's actually a piercing existentialist meditation: it's theme is that no one in the modern world is emotionally equipped to be safe.
 
ehhhh...
Deep throat :eek: ?
No..
Must be One flew over cuckoos nest.

Matrix?Worst half an hour in my moviewatching.

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well, kubrick is good, but you just cant deny the pure genius of fight club. mostly its because of the author of course which is palahniuk. i havent read the book, i think i'll buy it sometime.
 
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Action:
1) Predator (Sci-Fi)
2) Lethal Weapon 4

Drama:
1) JFK
2) All The President's Men
3) A Few Good Men

Horror:
1) The Exorcist
2) The Shining

Comedy:
1) "Deep Throat"?
2) The Jerk
3) Striptease

Musical:
1) Grease
2) Rocky Horror Picture Show

Western:
1) High Plains Drifter
2) Maverick

War:
1) Pearl Harbor
2) Black Hawk Down

TV Episode(s)
1) All In The Family
2) Sanford& Son

Most hated film classic:
1) The GodFather

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I wonder why so many people love Fight Club. definitely Fincher's worst movie. all other Fincher movies are extremely intelligent, if you read between the lines, but FC is nonsense. maybe somebody forced him and Norton to make this movie? I was really disappointed with Fincher. was really glad to recognise good old Fincher, when I saw Panic Room, which is a masterpiece. hope Fincher doesn't make such mistakes again.

my favourite is Reality Bites. wouldn't go so far as to call that movie intelligent, but it's very important for my generation, since it perfectly depicts reality, I mean all the problems which bother my generation, such as aids, insecurity in the age of rising unemployment/recession etc. etc. there's this pun, of course: reality bites and reality bytes: bytes are small pieces of reality, which you have to pierce together. a modernist idea, fits into our time, think of modernist literature or of modernist films like Memento.

I also can better identify with the characters in the movie. can't stand all those Hollywood films, where the protagonists always play advocates or presidents. just count, at least 90% of all AM films show characters who work as advocates. guess this is done to satisfy the Americans' desire to rise socially. nobody wants to see anti-heroes. There are just two films in which there are english professors: wonderboys with M. Douglas and DOA with D. Quaid, but in most other films I just see people crazy about money and power, trying to sell the outdated American Dream. can't identify with them.

In reality bites, on the other hand, I can understand the characters, I am thinking in the same categories as they do. It's myself I see in these characters: although, or maybe because they are intelligent, they are unwilling or unable to face life as it is; there's this lack of pragmatism, which forces them to hide behind often pseudo intellectual rhetoric in order not to betray their fears
 
My favs.....

You can see my favorite here and then find your way to the reviews where I highly recommend you go see "K-19"

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there are many people who hate fight club and many people who think its pure genius also. first time i saw fight club, i hated it, it's really hard to understand. i fell in love with the movie when i fully got the story and plot correct. it's an unpredictable movie, thats why i like it so much. just like sixth sense and some of those psycho movies. fight club is a movie where people either love it or hate it. thats that. nothing in between.
 
I am one of those inbetween rolz9 when it comes to Fight Club.
I thought it was alright, and I understood everything from the first time I saw it, but just wasn't good enough for all the hype it got I think.
Sixth Sense I thought was totally predictable and same with unbreakable (you have to be stupid to not know Samuel L J wasn't evil/bad-guy). Psycho is deffinately a classic (as with many hitchcock films), but even good directors don't always make the greatest of movies.
I don't like many of Stanley K films, but thought Full Metal Jacket was one of the best (if not the best) war movie (didn't like apocolypse now *for all those fans lol).
I guess this topic is a lot like the "Beauty" topic... in the eye of the beholder.
 
shadoe_phantom said:
I am one of those inbetween rolz9 when it comes to Fight Club.
I thought it was alright, and I understood everything from the first time I saw it, but just wasn't good enough for all the hype it got I think.
Sixth Sense I thought was totally predictable and same with unbreakable (you have to be stupid to not know Samuel L J wasn't evil/bad-guy). Psycho is deffinately a classic (as with many hitchcock films), but even good directors don't always make the greatest of movies.
I don't like many of Stanley K films, but thought Full Metal Jacket was one of the best (if not the best) war movie (didn't like apocolypse now *for all those fans lol).
I guess this topic is a lot like the "Beauty" topic... in the eye of the beholder.

Now I don't feel so alone in thinking that "Sixth Sense" was predictable (I realized the "twist" about 3/4 into the movie; it was no surprise to me). This film was over-hyped, IMO.
 
I wouldn't say that Sixth Sense was predictable. Did you really know B. Willis was dead? For me everything in the end was a total surprise.

but it's true that the film was over-hyped. Everyone said, "this film is soooo intelligent" bla. exactly the same as with American Beauty. Somebody said these films are intelligent and then everybody started to repeat it like parrots. but it's simply not true. if a film is symbolic, it doesn't mean it's necessarily intelligent. Films like Matrix are intelligent, because they move beyond symbolism (homophobia; Nazi abuse of art; unpredictable characters - Morpheus & Smith in a homoerotic relationship; Neo's will (mentally unstable) subdued by Morpheus, who misuses Neo to achieve his own aims, while inventing the whole matrix fairy tale to make Neo dependent on him), while films like sixth sense or chinese box drip with senseless symbolism. dead people=petty bourgeois inertness of the middle class.. this is not subtle symbolism, that's a hit with a hammer on the head. too obvious and too stupid. The standards has got really low in Hollywood if they start to describe such nonsense as intelligent films
 
hmm

Funny

friday
friday 2
pet dectetive
Half Baked
friday the 13th
home alone 1-3
Rush hour 1 & 2


Action

48hrs
air force one
*all indiana jones movies
independence day
heat
full metal jacket
all james bond movies
Rambo
Robo cop


Drama
love & basketball
ghostbusters
rudy

Horror

from dusk til dawn

Other

jaws
jurassic park
M I B


& many more to come..



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php said:
I wouldn't say that Sixth Sense was predictable. Did you really know B. Willis was dead? For me everything in the end was a total surprise.

but it's true that the film was over-hyped. Everyone said, "this film is soooo intelligent" bla. exactly the same as with American Beauty. Somebody said these films are intelligent and then everybody started to repeat it like parrots. but it's simply not true. if a film is symbolic, it doesn't mean it's necessarily intelligent. Films like Matrix are intelligent, because they move beyond symbolism (homophobia; Nazi abuse of art; unpredictable characters - Morpheus & Smith in a homoerotic relationship; Neo's will (mentally unstable) subdued by Morpheus, who misuses Neo to achieve his own aims, while inventing the whole matrix fairy tale to make Neo dependent on him), while films like sixth sense or chinese box drip with senseless symbolism. dead people=petty bourgeois inertness of the middle class.. this is not subtle symbolism, that's a hit with a hammer on the head. too obvious and too stupid. The standards has got really low in Hollywood if they start to describe such nonsense as intelligent films

WoW, well said php. You should write film reviews.

Ok, backing up to what I said about it being predictable. Maybe that was the wrong word for me to use. Maybe what I meant to say is that the film's storyline was uneventful to me. I remember watching the movie and at the very scene where haly jo osmith ( I think that's the little boys name) sees the dead person walk by him (the jogger or biker that had just been killed) while he is in the car with his mom, it occured to me at that very moment that Bruce Willis was dead as well. His behavior and interaction with others throughout the film seemed so queer to me that I was looking for (and found) the twist of the story. Therefore, I was never shocked or surprised, and, like you I thought the film not so "intelligent", which is a word I seemed to hear a lot when it was doing so well in the theatres. I am completely befuddled at all the praise the writer/director received for this film. It was simply over-hyped by the time I got to see it, which was the DVD rental. Thank God I didn't pay to sit and see it in the theatre. If you watch the outakes on the DVD then you would see that the true gem of the movie was the boy's ability to act.

This is the kind of phenomenon that only reinforces what I have come to believe about the modern movie-going audience. I have no idea who these people are.
 
I'm not a film buff really, but I'm a bit of a connoisseur of the short fiction genre, the ghost story. [We all have our hobbies.]

I have a theory of why the vast majority of supposedly supernatural movies are not merely bad but formulaic and unconvincing. Simply put, we in the West grow up in a culture that no longer truly believes in spiritual existence at all. Period. We have trouble even imagining one. This radical transformation in Western culture is exhibited by the demise of the ghost story, which reached its heyday in the 1880s, and the rise of its descendant art form - the detective story, which became of the ultimate literary expression of modernism [and became something much more influential in world culture by becoming popularised in film noir].

So now the supernatural thriller falls flat because audiences are skeptical about claims for ghosts, spirits, souls, etc., and most writers have immense trouble even articulating what such an existence would entail. You look at the Nightmare on Elmstreet/Hellraiser series [just to name two franchises of the slasher genre] and the horrors of the afterlife are conveyed in purely materialistic terms as the threat of being physically injured: "Well Jimmy, Hell is like when Jason tears out your central nervous system with an electric carving knife -- only it happens again and again."

Supposedly "intellectual" spook movies are just as bad in their way -- following from the tradition of Henry James' "Turn of the Screw" they merely claim it's difficult to establish the difference between life and death. Movies like The 6th Sense and The Others don't really say anything about a different afterlife or a genuinely immaterial soul [if there is such a thing and it's not just php's bourgeois construct]. They just suggest that we're so fixated on the material, physical circumstances of our lives -- our job, family, possessions, whatever -- that we could be dead already and not know it.

I'm not saying that's bad or disputable. I'm just saying that's how we see things. A movie like The Matrix has 100% materialistic premises, and yet it yearns for a transcendance beyond them. It's the story of a programming wonk who fantasizes that he was really, secretly the Messiah, who can fly, fight like Bruce Lee, get a cute girlfriend, and live forever. See -- even this Messiah's idea of transcendance is totally earth-bound. It's gotten so we can't imagine anything else.
 
catachresis said:
A movie like The Matrix has 100% materialistic premises, and yet it yearns for a transcendance beyond them. It's the story of a programming wonk who fantasizes that he was really, secretly the Messiah, who can fly, fight like Bruce Lee, get a cute girlfriend, and live forever. See -- even this Messiah's idea of transcendance is totally earth-bound. It's gotten so we can't imagine anything else.
well written catachresis , but its not surprising that most movies are never to far from the materialistic "earth-bound" thorts of man, especially since it is money "a very earth-bound thing" that makes then all:rolleyes: :)
 
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I don't think the ghost story is dead. especially in the USA it is very important due to the Americans' complex of inferiority which is due to their lack of history. US is a very young country and therefore, suffers from a lack of history of its own. the result is Americans' fascination with european past, especially visible in Washington Irving's short stories based on E.T.A. Hoffman's stories, which itself derive from folklore from the middle ages. just look at the "legend of Sleepy Hollow" - that's a ghost story. the film "sleepy hollow" was made just a couple of years ago and shows once again the Americans' fascination with the past.

James's "Turn of the Screw" has nothing to do with the opposition of life and death, it's merely about the feminine sexual frustration (in Freud's terms the dead as well as the small boy are the personification of the governess's sexual desires). James is not interested in afterlife at all.

as far as Matrix is concerned, your interpretation is not wrong, but several other interpretations are possible. of course, you could describe the whole scenario as the product of Neo' mind. then, indeed, you are right about Neo's materialistic interests. but if we assume for a minute that everything is true, the Matrix really exists, then the aims of the characters become rather idealistic, than materialistic. of course, in any case the Matrix characters are rather concerned with this life than with afterlife. but that's just normal in our age - you can't expect people to really believe in after life, ghosts, souls in 21st century. we are still speaking about "spiritual existence", but in rather metaphorical terms. What Morpheus and Neo try to do is to ensure the spritiual existence of human race.

btw, Neo is not the Messiah, but Jesus Christ. consider the cookie, which connotes the bread in church (Christ's last supper) and the 13 buttons in the elevator (Christ+12 disciples).

the development you describe, catachresis, is just natural: prior to Modernism people were interested in afterlife, because religion still played a great role, even after the Enlightenment. but at the beginning of the 20th century religion lost its importance. Modernism is not concerned with afterlife, but with reality. That's why the detective story became so important, because a detective tries to create a coherent reality from small pieces of information he's got. ghosts and souls have become unimportant, because they are not part of objective reality, being therefore ignored.
So it depends on what you mean by "materialistic". if you take the word literally, as the opposition of materialistic and spiritual matters, then you are right - modern literature and films are materialistic. but it doesn't mean that they are primitive in any way.it's just that the word "spiritual" is used rather in metaphorical sense today, rather than in literal sense, as it used to be prior to modernism
 
Hey php -- you wanna take this outside to another thread? (Shakes long bleached locks and thumbs the pro-wrasslin' belt.)

Naw, I appreciate all your similarly thought-provoking responses in this thread and look forward to more here and in other places.

I'm well-pleased with Washington Irving's works, as I am with those of Charles Brockden Brown and Nathaniel Hawthorne (whose "Young Goodman Brown" is a very prescient anticipation of Freud's theories -- way cool witchcraft story, with devil and all the trimmings). I'm an even bigger fan of Herr Hoffmann. Note -- these guys are still early to mid nineteenth century.

They had a forty-year critical debate about whether TTOTS was Henry Jame's ghost story or a phantasmagoric delusional episode of pedophilic and masochistic lust experienced by that frustrated governness, who scares that little boy to death after teaching his sis a lot of dirty words. Scandalous. The critics never resolved the issue (as James did indeed write a number of indisputable ghost stories). My own theory is the novella is a reader-trap, written to elicit passionately convinced opinions that cannot be definitively concluded. And it's about child-abuse and neglect. But that's just my opinion. Anyhoo.

I agree that the Biblical correlations in The Matrix are just too many to ignore. It's like The Pilgrim's Progress for the late-twentieth century.

Modernism is not concerned with afterlife, but with reality.[\b]

-Whoof! I confess I'm more interested in the questions about "reality" than the conclusions. Cheers!
 
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