Plex Tools vs. EAC (Exact Audio Copy) test results

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PePsIBoTtLe

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Plex Tools 1.15a vs. EAC (Exact Audio Copy) test results

My test results:

The disc I used was a special test disc with 15 damaged audio tracks. Track 1 is slightly damaged while track 15 is extremely damaged.

1st problem: PlexTools aborts with a read error with tracks 8-15.
So I used track 7 for all tests.
I also ran the tests with CD DAE to verify the results.

Plextor PX-W2410A v1.04
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PlexTools Mode 5, retries 3
Speed 2.3x (time 1:03) errors:0
Compared with original: 0 errors

EAC Secure mode (C2)
Speed 0.3x (time 7:53) errors:?
track quality: 96.8%
Compared with original: 4116 missing samples, 4116 repeated samples

CD DAE (only error detection, no error correction)
Read Twice
Speed 9.0x (time 0:16) errors:150493
C2 Pointers
Speed 17.3x (time 0:08) errors:441846

LiteOn LTD163 vGH5E
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PlexTools
Speed 17.1x (time 0:08) errors:0
Compared with original: 0 errors

EAC Secure mode (C2)
Speed 2.9x (time 0:49) errors:?
track quality: 99.8%
Compared with original: 0 errors

CD DAE (only error detection, no error correction)
Read Twice
Speed 10.1x (time 0:14) errors:0
C2 Pointers
Speed 20.0x (time 0:07) errors:0


Conclusion:
EAC is by far the slowest ripper. And it cannot rip the track without errors with the Plextor.
PlexTools is not only much faster but it can extract the track without errors!
I also prefer the interface of PlexTools. It will tell you exactly what is happening and shows the exact number of errors.

My opinion:
Forget all this error correction crap. Just use a decent reader such as the LiteOn LTD163 in combination with a ripper who can detect errors.

PePsIBoTtLe
 
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virtual_web said:
But PlexTools can be used only with Plextor drives, am I right? Most people don't own a Plextor drive...
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Correct! Excellent proggie, but only for Plex's. :( This proggie alone is worth the extra costs associated with Plex's.

If only someone could come up with a way for PlexTools to work with other drives or even older Plex drives (latest version does not support my Plex 8432 [no longer supported]).
 
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My opinion(PePsIBoTtLe):
Forget all this error correction crap. Just use a decent reader such as the LiteOn LTD163 in combination with a ripper who can detect errors. I'll take my LiteOn LiteOn LTD163 vGH5E(best reader at present for any type(s) of cd) and Toshiba SD-M1402 over your Ultraplex 40 TSi SCSI CD-ROM . Furthermore, I'll take my Asus CRW-4012a over a Yamaha F1 for any type(s) of cd's. NO Yamaha on the market can make 1:1 backup of Safedisk 2.5.021 or Securom3 *new* protection. I've also read where no Yamaha's can make a 1:1 backup of Key2Audio, Cactus Data Shield 100, Cactus Data Shield 200.

PePsIBoTtLe
 
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wilma

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virtual_web said:
But PlexTools can be used only with Plextor drives, am I right? Most people don't own a Plextor drive...
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Plextools Version 1.13A works very nice with my Pioneer DVD 106 ATAPI drive for DAE purposes; I use it especially for scratched cd's, when my Plextor 24/10/24 fails to read anything at all.
Speed=little low(12x), but thats inhaerent to this DVDRomplayer
 
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wilma,
Very nice to hear that wilma :D Be sure to download Plex Tools 1.15a update because this program is rock solid for audio copy ;)

PePsIBoTtLe
 
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BVV

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"Finally, I would like to remind you that it's not necessary to come back with an answer when you don't have a good one, but I guess it's just your nature..."


Coming back with an answer when he doesn't have a good one is his nature??
You mean, like being rude to others is yours...
 
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C'mon guys, let's keep it nice. :D

My whole problem with Plex Tools is, as has already been stated, they of course only work with Plextor CDRW drives. It could well be a totaly amazing piece of software, but 80% (let's just say) of CDRW drive owners would never have the chance to find out. Plextor make great kit but are being left behind right now in the marketplace on price alone.

EAC on the other hand can be used on almost any CDRW drive, you cannot get a bigger plus than that. How it still remains FREE is a big mystery to me. :D
 
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Asus CRW-4012a NOT a rebagged LiteOn!!

poko,
Do you always believe what you read? I own the Asus CRW-4012a and it's definatly not a rebagged LiteOn. I have copied with success as reader and writer Safedisc 2.4-2.72(Madden NFL 2003)& SecuROM3 *new*(Neverwinter Nights). Liteys can't copy SecuROM3 *new* as reader& writer. This proves the Asus ISN'T a rebagged LiteOn. I urge you to have a talk with FutureProof (CD Freaks mod) before you post more nonsense. Funny how my Toshiba has no problems reading Cactus data shield or Key2Audio cd protection. CDR Labs hardware test with the Asus CRW-4012a is inaccurate! My last post on this thread bro..

PePsIBoTtLe
 
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RoadWorker, joripe, thanks for your input

roadworker& joripe,
Thank you very kindly for your input. Roadworker, thank you for performing your own test :D I can read Cactus& Key2Audio cd protection with my Toshiba SD-M1402 but with "additional measures". Concerning LiteOn burners and SecuROM3 *new* protection. "Most" Liteys can't copy as reader& writer, but same can with other measures. This is the main reason why I choose the Asus CRW-4012a because I read the hardware tests done by FutureProof (mod at CD Freaks). If Asus models are rebagged LiteOn's in Europe, then I would scream bloody murder and rip off because the U.S versions are'nt rebagged Litey's ;) I get just as good audio quality with Plex Tools and EAC, but Plex Tools rips DAE much faster than EAC, thus becoming my choice to record audio :D

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bandit_2k

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now i'm confused...
if plex tools can only be used with plextor drives, how was it tested on the lite-on? and the asus, etc?
 
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roadworker,
My conclusion (roadworker):
Sony builds it's own drives,but also rebadges....now why wouldn't Asus do the same? My answer is I dunno. I'm strickly talking about the Asus CRW-4012a model, and no other.

Asus CRW-4012a and LiteOn
What burner should I buy?
/http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?threadid=49043&highlight=FutureProof

Originally posted by Neo_Reloaded


Now I don't know which one to get..

FutureProof(Administrator)): Just buy 'em all! (I need to get out at night, methinks). Checkout the LaserLock read speeds in the sticky pinned in the Experienced Forum. The ASUS 48 is not much faster than the 40x. The 48x has slow disc recognition times. The 40x is a dream. The ASUS are quiet and don't require a plethora of FW upgrades (don't get me wrong, I love my Liteys). If you were thinking of buying a LTD-163 or SD-M1402 then with an ASUS, you don't need 'em; but, I guess that most ppl have a PC DVD player anyway. ASUS/Liteon plus 163/1402 - can't go wrong.
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Originally posted by Neo_Reloaded
What can the Asus do that the lite on can't?

FutureProof (Administrator)):it's bloody fast on read and write, and can defeat CDS200. It can also write the new SecuROM * new * (NWN & WCIII) easily... the Liteys can't
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Originally posted by FutureProof
it's bloody fast on read and write, and can defeat CDS200. It can also write the new SecuROM * new * (NWN & WCIII) easily... the Liteys can't.

philamber (Mod): The Liteys can write it if you do the read with the Ltd-163 and then write with the Litey writer. However, unless olli comes up with something in his next version, the Ltr-24102B, certainly is beaten by this improved securerom new version (nwn and war3) if used as a stand alone reader/writer.

I've wasted the best part of a day trying to get a working copy of war3 using the Ltr-24102B as both reader/writer both with current 4.0.1.9 and with old 3.3.4.1 and it's a no go.

Just as well I do have the Ltd-163 and was able to get a working copy reading with that and writng with the Ltr-24102B.

PePsIBoTtLe
 
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PlexTools beats Exact Audio Copy ? - continued

I've done extensive tests of which I cannot publish the results (but when I have more time to get a new site online, I'll redo 'em). The conclusion is: the new PlexTools is superior to EAC. This thanks to the use of burst extraction mode to read data and C2 information to detect errors. When an error occurs PlexTools can choose from 5 different extraction schemes, ranked from normal to extreme secure.

Let's say that scheme 5 is selected. Because of the C2 information PlexTools knows exactly which samples (not just sectors!) are correct and which are not. PlexTools will then recover the correct samples whereas EAC may not find enough matching sectors to restore the original data.

/http://www.cdfreaks.com/news2.php3?ID=4689

PePsIBoTtLe ;)
 
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SATCP NOT out of the scene

pokopiko,
If you would have followed all the links, you would have eventually found yourself at "The Coaster Factory". This is the link you provided for the EAC tut. This man's not out of the scene and will post his test results (Plex Tools 1.15a), as mendtioned at the above link^.

The Coaster Factory: /http://www.ping.be/satcp/

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