BT offer a solution to UK users who do not have an ADSL enabled Exchange. Basically go too the supplied link below and have a read. I will say one thing, there seems too be alot of ADSL ISP Providers missing from the list "www.Pipex.doc, freeuk.com" these being well established ISP's for many years and offer very competative pricing structure, less than £24 per month.
h**p://www.bt.com/broadband/
BT seems too have chosen a selected few ISP's for you to show an interest in. Until the ADSL interest levels for a particular region/area reach 400 BT will not enable ADSL.
B.T.W you do not need to purchase an ADSL modem ok. You can buy an ADSL Router for less than £60 and comes with all the connections and cables too allow direct connection too your phoneline. On the Router my mate from Rhyl purchased you get 4 x RJ 45(Cat 5) Connections, so each PC in his house has a NIC installed and they are directly linked too the Router. Each PC has a gateway setup in the network properties, this is the ip address assigned too the router. A nice feature is the Router is always on-line. In leyman terms switch the PC on and get an instant access to the net, finished switch the PC off. As simple as that.
Anyhow I have provied a link below where you can make a complaint against BT or any other telecoms provider, or indeed an ISP failing too meet their own terms and conditions.
The general idea is too get the Oftel too demonopolise BT, allow 3rd party companies in the UK too step in and offer a solution. Until enough complaints are made against this telecoms provider the users who want ADSL are not going too get what they want.
I have already sent a polite letter to the link below, spent 2 hours lastnite putting it together. I am trying too fight for the area I live to have the exchange ADSL enabled. For each individual that sends a polite letter(no need for abuse, it will go nowhere) we will be one step closer.
h**p://www.oftel.gov.uk/consumer/ad...ep3_england.htm
Regards too all. The Diplomat
I have received an e-mail from Oftel.gov.uk, and once again I found a few discrepencies, so I am once again in negotiations for something too be done. Here is the reply I sent too them, certain names have been removed too protect the privacy of the said Individuals.
In a message dated 06/08/2002 20:55:00 GMT Daylight Time, writes:
Subj:Re: Oftel Ref CR/520909
Date:06/08/2002 20:55:00 GMT Daylight Time
From: XXXX
To:witheld for confidentiality purposes
Thank you for your reply, after reading it there is an discrepency I would like too highlight with regards too what ISP's you can register an interest in. There are three ISP's which are not mentioned in this registration process as I have checked it, and this leaves me too possibly conclude that BT alone have chosen specific providers.
Where is w*w.Pipex.com,Freeuk.com and AOl.com?, two of them offer a very competative price of under just under £24, and one being a little on the steep side of £35
Quote:
"As you may be aware BT has introduced a new ADSL order registration system that will enable consumers and service providers to register interest in receiving ADSL services. Where demand in an area is high enough to make it economically viable for BT to enable the local exchange, it will do so."
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I checked the current interest level for my area and it is now 24, it could possibly be 2003 before we have the level requirement of 400. I am not saying BT are deliberately holding back and quoting unrealistic figures for our area, or falsifying the figures too suit them. It could well be that the chosen providers are not suited too our area, hence the very slow uptake. I am positive if the three missing ones and more were added to this registration process, then the required 400 would take a matter of a weeks, not months or years. I will continue the fight against BT too upgrade our exchange, which covers a vast area. I would appreciate if you had a private discussion over this matter, because at the moment I feel something needs too be actioned or like I have said on a previous mail, it won't happen.
Kind Regards
identity withheld
In a message dated 06/08/2002 12:15:45 GMT Daylight Time, xxxxx xxxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx writes:
Subj:Oftel Ref CR/520909
Date:06/08/2002 12:15:45 GMT Daylight Time
From:witheld for confidentiality purposes
To:xxxxxx
Sent from the Internet
Our Ref: CR/520909
Dear Mr XXXX
Thank you for your recent email dated 5 August 2002.
The roll-out of ADSL was a commercial decision taken by BT and was not mandated by Oftel. Oftel's role has been to ensure that BT complies with its legal obligations under the Competition Act 1998 and the terms of its Licence. For example, BT must offer its wholesale products to all service providers/operators on the same terms & conditions and must not unduly prefer its own service provider business.
ADSL is a relatively new technology and it requires considerable investment to enable an exchange so that it can offer ADSL services. Oftel does not, therefore, propose to require BT to roll-out ADSL to all exchanges or to include specific exchanges in its roll-out programme. Oftel will however continue to encourage BT to roll-out ADSL to as many exchanges as possible.
As you may be aware BT has introduced a new ADSL order registration system that will enable consumers and service providers to register interest in receiving ADSL services. Where demand in an area is high enough to make it economically viable for BT to enable the local exchange, it will do so. The registration system will cover all exchanges in the UK, though targets will only be published for the 900 exchanges that BT has reviewed the costs of enabling.
If demand levels for other exchanges are high enough, BT will review the cost of enabling those exchanges. BT has estimated that there are 900 exchanges being reviewed and the 1,115 that are currently enabled cover around 87% of UK homes and businesses.
Our role in monitoring BT's ADSL roll-out is in contrast to our role in mandating local loop unbundling (LLU). LLU will enable operators to install their own equipment in BT's local exchanges and to decide when, where and how to provide high bandwidth services. They will not have to rely on the wholesale ADSL products being offered by BT. Since September 2000, operators have been able to order co-location space in BT's local exchanges. Trials began in January 2001 and the UK's first unbundled loops are now operational.
You may also wish to be aware that cable operators (NTL and Telewest) are offering broadband Internet products and it is possible that it may be available in your area.
Further information on what broadband services are available can be found at: http://w*w.oftel.gov.uk/publication...rief/index.htm
Yours sincerely
Identity withheld
Consumer Representation
Tel xxx xxxx xxxx
The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for use of the individual or organisation named above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you should be aware that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. I apologise if you have received this communication in error. Please notify Oftel immediately by telephone on (+XX) (X) XX XXXX XXXX or e-mail xxxxx@xxx.xx.xx, and destroy the
original message.
This e-mail (whether you are the sender or the recipient) may be monitored, recorded and retained by Oftel. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used, and e-mail content may be read at any time. You have a responsibility to ensure laws are not broken when composing or forwarding e-mails and their contents.
Here is the reply I received and my submittal.
Our Ref: CR/520909
Dear Mr XXXXX
Thank you for your further email dated 6 August 2002.
The text that you have quoted from my previous email was referring to the new ADSL registration system that BT Wholesale has introduced.
To register consumers should contact the ISP that they wish to receive ADSL services from (such as Pipex, AOL, BT Openworld, Freeserve, etc.). The ISP will inform them whether the local exchange is already enabled to receive ADSL service and if not will register interest in that exchange with BT. BT will carry out several checks (e.g. ensuring that the consumer is close enough to the local exchange and that interest has not already been registered for that consumer by another ISP) before entering the details into the registration system.
Yours sincerely
Identity withheld
Consumer Representation
my reply
Thank you once again for your kind response, the contents of which I have read, and would like too further comment on the situation with the Colwyn Bay Area exchange being ADSL enabled. I have a good friend that lives in the Rhyl area, he is using the an isp called w*w.Pipex.com, now considering that is not on the registration list, yet he is receiving ADSL.
It am too believe that this registration process is forcing the consumer too choose an ISP of interest, and of which they will be duly binded by contract once the 400 limit has been reached and the exchange ADSL enabled. If you take this into account, it's not what I would call a fair process, there are a few isp's on that registration list which are for business use only!, further cutting down on the options available to the home user. If you think on a logical basis, alot of the listed ISP's will be asking for a fee beyond the average working persons salary, hence the lack of interest. At this present moment in time areas in the UK in a similar situation too my locality will be waiting for infinity for the upgrade. Based on a statistical momentum the current uptake based on a single individual registering an interest in the Colwyn Bay area on a weekly basis, it will take just under 8 years too get broadband! Other areas with a higher level requirement will have wait a possible 12yrs. So according too how accurate my information is, by the time the required level is reached, a new technology will have been introduced, and we will be in the same boat once again. I am asking you too intervene and put a stop too this requirement, and upgrade the exchanges, watch how quickly the UK internet use will grow, far beyond anyones imagination. If your have the power too regulate, then put it to a good use, and give the UK what it is needed. Broadband Technology.
Kind Regards
Identity witheld
h**p://www.bt.com/broadband/
BT seems too have chosen a selected few ISP's for you to show an interest in. Until the ADSL interest levels for a particular region/area reach 400 BT will not enable ADSL.
B.T.W you do not need to purchase an ADSL modem ok. You can buy an ADSL Router for less than £60 and comes with all the connections and cables too allow direct connection too your phoneline. On the Router my mate from Rhyl purchased you get 4 x RJ 45(Cat 5) Connections, so each PC in his house has a NIC installed and they are directly linked too the Router. Each PC has a gateway setup in the network properties, this is the ip address assigned too the router. A nice feature is the Router is always on-line. In leyman terms switch the PC on and get an instant access to the net, finished switch the PC off. As simple as that.
Anyhow I have provied a link below where you can make a complaint against BT or any other telecoms provider, or indeed an ISP failing too meet their own terms and conditions.
The general idea is too get the Oftel too demonopolise BT, allow 3rd party companies in the UK too step in and offer a solution. Until enough complaints are made against this telecoms provider the users who want ADSL are not going too get what they want.
I have already sent a polite letter to the link below, spent 2 hours lastnite putting it together. I am trying too fight for the area I live to have the exchange ADSL enabled. For each individual that sends a polite letter(no need for abuse, it will go nowhere) we will be one step closer.
h**p://www.oftel.gov.uk/consumer/ad...ep3_england.htm
Regards too all. The Diplomat
I have received an e-mail from Oftel.gov.uk, and once again I found a few discrepencies, so I am once again in negotiations for something too be done. Here is the reply I sent too them, certain names have been removed too protect the privacy of the said Individuals.
In a message dated 06/08/2002 20:55:00 GMT Daylight Time, writes:
Subj:Re: Oftel Ref CR/520909
Date:06/08/2002 20:55:00 GMT Daylight Time
From: XXXX
To:witheld for confidentiality purposes
Thank you for your reply, after reading it there is an discrepency I would like too highlight with regards too what ISP's you can register an interest in. There are three ISP's which are not mentioned in this registration process as I have checked it, and this leaves me too possibly conclude that BT alone have chosen specific providers.
Where is w*w.Pipex.com,Freeuk.com and AOl.com?, two of them offer a very competative price of under just under £24, and one being a little on the steep side of £35
Quote:
"As you may be aware BT has introduced a new ADSL order registration system that will enable consumers and service providers to register interest in receiving ADSL services. Where demand in an area is high enough to make it economically viable for BT to enable the local exchange, it will do so."
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I checked the current interest level for my area and it is now 24, it could possibly be 2003 before we have the level requirement of 400. I am not saying BT are deliberately holding back and quoting unrealistic figures for our area, or falsifying the figures too suit them. It could well be that the chosen providers are not suited too our area, hence the very slow uptake. I am positive if the three missing ones and more were added to this registration process, then the required 400 would take a matter of a weeks, not months or years. I will continue the fight against BT too upgrade our exchange, which covers a vast area. I would appreciate if you had a private discussion over this matter, because at the moment I feel something needs too be actioned or like I have said on a previous mail, it won't happen.
Kind Regards
identity withheld
In a message dated 06/08/2002 12:15:45 GMT Daylight Time, xxxxx xxxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx writes:
Subj:Oftel Ref CR/520909
Date:06/08/2002 12:15:45 GMT Daylight Time
From:witheld for confidentiality purposes
To:xxxxxx
Sent from the Internet
Our Ref: CR/520909
Dear Mr XXXX
Thank you for your recent email dated 5 August 2002.
The roll-out of ADSL was a commercial decision taken by BT and was not mandated by Oftel. Oftel's role has been to ensure that BT complies with its legal obligations under the Competition Act 1998 and the terms of its Licence. For example, BT must offer its wholesale products to all service providers/operators on the same terms & conditions and must not unduly prefer its own service provider business.
ADSL is a relatively new technology and it requires considerable investment to enable an exchange so that it can offer ADSL services. Oftel does not, therefore, propose to require BT to roll-out ADSL to all exchanges or to include specific exchanges in its roll-out programme. Oftel will however continue to encourage BT to roll-out ADSL to as many exchanges as possible.
As you may be aware BT has introduced a new ADSL order registration system that will enable consumers and service providers to register interest in receiving ADSL services. Where demand in an area is high enough to make it economically viable for BT to enable the local exchange, it will do so. The registration system will cover all exchanges in the UK, though targets will only be published for the 900 exchanges that BT has reviewed the costs of enabling.
If demand levels for other exchanges are high enough, BT will review the cost of enabling those exchanges. BT has estimated that there are 900 exchanges being reviewed and the 1,115 that are currently enabled cover around 87% of UK homes and businesses.
Our role in monitoring BT's ADSL roll-out is in contrast to our role in mandating local loop unbundling (LLU). LLU will enable operators to install their own equipment in BT's local exchanges and to decide when, where and how to provide high bandwidth services. They will not have to rely on the wholesale ADSL products being offered by BT. Since September 2000, operators have been able to order co-location space in BT's local exchanges. Trials began in January 2001 and the UK's first unbundled loops are now operational.
You may also wish to be aware that cable operators (NTL and Telewest) are offering broadband Internet products and it is possible that it may be available in your area.
Further information on what broadband services are available can be found at: http://w*w.oftel.gov.uk/publication...rief/index.htm
Yours sincerely
Identity withheld
Consumer Representation
Tel xxx xxxx xxxx
The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for use of the individual or organisation named above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you should be aware that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. I apologise if you have received this communication in error. Please notify Oftel immediately by telephone on (+XX) (X) XX XXXX XXXX or e-mail xxxxx@xxx.xx.xx, and destroy the
original message.
This e-mail (whether you are the sender or the recipient) may be monitored, recorded and retained by Oftel. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used, and e-mail content may be read at any time. You have a responsibility to ensure laws are not broken when composing or forwarding e-mails and their contents.
Here is the reply I received and my submittal.
Our Ref: CR/520909
Dear Mr XXXXX
Thank you for your further email dated 6 August 2002.
The text that you have quoted from my previous email was referring to the new ADSL registration system that BT Wholesale has introduced.
To register consumers should contact the ISP that they wish to receive ADSL services from (such as Pipex, AOL, BT Openworld, Freeserve, etc.). The ISP will inform them whether the local exchange is already enabled to receive ADSL service and if not will register interest in that exchange with BT. BT will carry out several checks (e.g. ensuring that the consumer is close enough to the local exchange and that interest has not already been registered for that consumer by another ISP) before entering the details into the registration system.
Yours sincerely
Identity withheld
Consumer Representation
my reply
Thank you once again for your kind response, the contents of which I have read, and would like too further comment on the situation with the Colwyn Bay Area exchange being ADSL enabled. I have a good friend that lives in the Rhyl area, he is using the an isp called w*w.Pipex.com, now considering that is not on the registration list, yet he is receiving ADSL.
It am too believe that this registration process is forcing the consumer too choose an ISP of interest, and of which they will be duly binded by contract once the 400 limit has been reached and the exchange ADSL enabled. If you take this into account, it's not what I would call a fair process, there are a few isp's on that registration list which are for business use only!, further cutting down on the options available to the home user. If you think on a logical basis, alot of the listed ISP's will be asking for a fee beyond the average working persons salary, hence the lack of interest. At this present moment in time areas in the UK in a similar situation too my locality will be waiting for infinity for the upgrade. Based on a statistical momentum the current uptake based on a single individual registering an interest in the Colwyn Bay area on a weekly basis, it will take just under 8 years too get broadband! Other areas with a higher level requirement will have wait a possible 12yrs. So according too how accurate my information is, by the time the required level is reached, a new technology will have been introduced, and we will be in the same boat once again. I am asking you too intervene and put a stop too this requirement, and upgrade the exchanges, watch how quickly the UK internet use will grow, far beyond anyones imagination. If your have the power too regulate, then put it to a good use, and give the UK what it is needed. Broadband Technology.
Kind Regards
Identity witheld
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