DVD Rebuilder Beta .041 - One Click CCE Backup

[ChickenMan]

You will see NO difference and will get the same quality conversion using CCE SP or CCE Basic. It has the same encoding engine in them both. Basic is limited to 2 pass max (therefore of little Hollywood use), and a few minor differences. But otherwise, its a bargain at $59.

As for comparing Shrink to ReBuilder w/ CCE, they are similar but different products. In Shrink you change the compression of Extras, etc. while in ReBuilder you cant (at the moment, it is comming). Also, Shrink compresses the menus, while RB doues not. If a DVD contains a large quantity of animated menus (therefore large size) then these just included in a RB build un-compressed. RB also does not compress small VOB files (about 50 meg or less) This is why a Shrink conversion can have a slightly better compression compared to a RB build.

However, using CCE as the encoder the results are just so much better than the slightly less compressed Shrink equivalent.

Again, the layout of the DVD has a lot to do with it also. If you have a movie of 4.5gb and another 4 gig of extras, then just a main movie only with Shrink (reauthor) will give a final disk of identical quality to the original assuming no compression. But if you shrunk the whole DVD with both Shrink or RB, the result will be like chalk and cheese in RB's favour.

 

[bloody1]

Thanks for all the info ChickenMan. One other question. Let's say that a DVD is 8 GIGS with the movie being 6 GIGS. Since DVD Rebuilder will not remove the extras, menus, etc.... and will not compress them, couldn't I use DVD Shrink to re-author with no compression the movie without the menus and extras??? And then afterwards use DVD Rebuilder to now compress just the 6 GIG movie???
Also, I just tried using DVD Rebuilder on The Matrix and it said it could not do it because of "something to do with interleave" and "multi-angles". Is this something I did wrong or a problem with the program???? Thanks.

 

[Laz]

Yes CCE Basic should be fine, quality will be the same as SP only you will have much more limited options.

And yes for larger backups you will notice a difference between a DVD Shrink transcoded disc compared to a CCE encode, whether SP or Basic the quality will be the same. Bear in mind that DVD-RB pretty much automates the whole process setting wise with CCE anyway. All you have to do is select the number of passes you wish to use, I would reccomend starting off with a 2 pass myself as there seems little to be gained by going much higher than that according to some of the interesting research posted over @ DVDRhelp.com

 

[ChickenMan]

RB will re-encode the extras, just not the menus. But since the menus are normally quite small sized, they really have little impact in the final quality of the main movie. Thats why the author has not attempted to complicate things and just copy them across. Same for very small extras. But larger Extras files will get encoded down the same as the main movie. However, as you suggested, the use of Shrink, DVD2One, DVD Stripper, etc can be used pre the use of RB to strip out unwanted stuff. Then use RB to compress the rest. I doubt the author will change from that, as all hes after is to make a simple 1 click backup all solution using CCE without making it all complicated for the masses.

RB does not suport the converting of Multi-angled dvd's as yet (like The Matrix). The author says its comming but he want to get a stable conversion for 99% of the dvd's first. So you didnt do anything wronge, its just a limitation of RB in its current form. Hang in there, it will come

 

[ChickenMan]

I would reccomend starting off with a 2 pass myself as there seems little to be gained by going much higher than that according to some of the interesting research posted over @ DVDRhelp.com

Very true. Infact the way the author has coded RB, it now picks up the original DVD's VBR pattern so in effect the 2 pass is more like 3.

I have been a LONG time uses of CCE to do my encoding and never really liked the output of transcoders, as you are aware, and I have rarely moved away from 2 pass (thats 1 pass for vaf & 1 pass to encode) except for 3hr+ moves where I go to 3 pass (like LOTR Extended versions onto 1 DVDR). The quality gain with higher number of passes is very minor indeed in most cases in my opinion and from my own experiance.

 

[Laz]

Hahaha!

Sorry CM, only just realised when I read your posts that I replied to the last post on page one without realising there was a page 2! doh

 

[ChickenMan]

Hahaha!

Sorry CM, only just realised when I read your posts that I replied to the last post on page one without realising there was a page 2! doh

Yep, I've done that before as well !

 

[MysticE]

Just wanted to let everyone know I'm still getting the chapter stop problem with ver .39 (slight glitch/pause right after the change). I thought it was fixed as my JVC N50 does not do it. But in my Sampo 612N it is still there and the time jumps in an odd way at the chapterstops (about a 4min. change). Gave the disc to a friend and he reports the same problem with his Panasonic E50 and Sampo.

Just registered at Doom9, so I can't post this info there yet.

 

[roadworker]

Version 0.40 is out,maybe it fixes your problem

 

[MysticE]

Version 0.40 is out,maybe it fixes your problem

That's what they said about ver .36

 

[ChickenMan]

That's what they said about ver .36

Guys, dont forget this program is still very much beta. The author is attching each major (and some minors) as they come. Hes eliminated a lot of probs and infact problems that I never ever had, just other people had them. Particularly if its a PAL problem as hes from NTSC land.

Give him time and he will fix all the problems, the program has been out about a month (ver 0.15 - 16/3 ) and now up to 0.41. Thats even better & quicker than Olli did with CloneCD originally

 

[MysticE]

Just a comment it was. The program is working great as far as my JVC is concerned.

Just tried another (thank god for -RW's ). Using .40, the visual chapter glitch seems to be gone in the Sampo, but something's up as the time still reads wrong in the Sampo (just fine in the JVC). The chapter start reading is correct (identical to the JVC) but rewinding to just before the stop it changes by about -4 min.