Working from HD Source

[DVD Maniac]

I have just received by v 011 and am waiting for 0.2.....

Anyway I wanted to make mention of the inability of the tool to process from HD sources. This is really a major shortfall of the tool, here is why -

1. Not everyone uses DVD Decrypter (I do but some don't for there own reasons)

2. Working from HD sources is generally much quicker for processing work like this, especially if you have SCSI or equivilant and/or slow DVD drives

3. Its basically just more convenient working from the HD rather than tieing up your DVD drive - especially if you are doing other tasks while the processing takes place.

Please can I urge you, Mr Mackern to get this added to the development list as a high priority requirement.

P.S - Where's my v2 update!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MackemX]

read this thread as all the answers are in there
http://www.dvdrbase.com/showthread.php?t=33727

no need to panic, if you haven't received an email just send another reminder

 

[DVD Maniac]

The solution suggested (creating an image file and mounting on a virtual drive) is adding an extra step to the whole process which is annoying and time consuming.

I now have v2 and have noted that the decryption process creates a flat file structure (I expected it to be in the usual VTS file format) which changes the perspective somewhat. However, I still think it would be desireable to have a HD source for the reasons in my first post. This is surely not a big ask in terms of programming development and I am sure your programming experts can sort that pretty easily.

HD source feature is a must have for this tool to be successful and widely accepted by your potential customers!

 

[Dysmyl]

The solution suggested (creating an image file and mounting on a virtual drive) is adding an extra step to the whole process which is annoying and time consuming.

But a solution none the less.....

I'm with ya though, working from HD will be nice but the author has stated many times he's aware that this is a wanted feature. Let's give the man room to work and breathe and give him time to develop. Its not like the program has been out for years without being updated.

 

[MackemX]

I know exactly what you guys mean by working from a HD and you don't have to say how important a feature it is as it will be if you have plenty of ripped DVD's on your HD

working from a HD is a lot more complicated than what you think and there is no guarantee that the ripped files are DVD compliant

there are other tools that cannot work from the HD but my main point is that all DVD's need ripping at one point so why not use DS 1st and you will end up with a VIDEO_TS on your HD to do whatever you want to afterwards. You can rip files and come back to them if you use the same paths so you do not have to rip and process at the same time. Project saving options are already in 0.2.1. Beta and are undergoing testing so you can rip the DVD (less than a min to setup) then reload the project at a more convenient time

the only thing it cannot do is work on previously ripped files but if you cannot rip again using the original then it's either one of 2 things. You do not own the original or your copy is scratched and I think the latter will only matter in a few cases

it's a small thing to ask that you either rip the DVD or mount the ripped files as an image until this feature is ever implemented. Both options don't take that much usertime and it's on the hit list but it's not the main priority at the minute as a few more features need to be addressed or added

I don't think DS's success will rely on the fact it cannot work with pre ripped files, it will only add to it

 

[The-poacher]

the only thing it cannot do is work on previously ripped files but if you cannot rip again using the original then it's either one of 2 things. You do not own the original or your copy is scratched and I think the latter will only matter in a few cases

That sums it up nicely
Give the guys time its only just been born this s/ware but its growing
& it will grow more.

just my 2 cents worth

 

[Dysmyl]

All DVDs are ripped via DVDStripper to ASSURE compatibility with the stripping proccess. This makes sure that the all rips use the same standard and there will be none of this "now are you sure you ripped it correctly?" crap.

 

[DVD Maniac]

You can rip files and come back to them if you use the same paths so you do not have to rip and process at the same time. Project saving options are already in 0.2.1. Beta and are undergoing testing so you can rip the DVD (less than a min to setup) then reload the project at a more convenient time

This feature will make things much better. One of the other reasons for ripping to HD first that I forgot to mention was if you do not have the time to go through the whole RIP to BURN process in one go.

 

[MackemX]

This feature will make things much better. One of the other reasons for ripping to HD first that I forgot to mention was if you do not have the time to go through the whole RIP to BURN process in one go.

Hopefully it will

users can still do it now and this is how to do it, if anyone needs to

start DS and specify the Temporary path to the previously ripped files again and I'm sure most can manage that simple task. If you haven't used DS since ripping then the paths will still be the same anyway when you restart DS

the backup and destination folders can be anything you want, it's only the Temporary folder path that is important to load in previously ripped files

once the paths are correct instead of clicking RIP, click NEXT

how simple?

p.s. the Ifoedit path should also still be the same as long as Ifoedit has not been moved, if it has then the path will also need remapping

 

[timekills]

Of course, you could always rip to an image using DVD Decryptor in the FIRST PLACE. Then you have your hard drive image ready on your oh-so-much-faster SCSI *cough* (My boot disk is a 17 GB U160 and a data drive is a 74 GB U160 SCSI, and neither are any faster than my WD JBB 7200 RPM IDEs for LARGE FILE TRANSFERS like DVD backups. Please, at least use valid excuses.)

You'll notice that any good DVD backup program insists upon working from the DVD or image. That is the only way to get the actual structure of the DVD.

Notice the 5th word in the second paragraph. Emphasis on that word.

 

[0xdeadbeef]

While it is true, that ripping is always necessary, ripping from within DVDStripper creates a unique title based represantation which _no_ other program but DVDStripper can work with.
It's of course completely nonsense to claim that a "good" program would need the original DVD or an image. Indeed none of the better transcoders (apart from DVDShrink) is even able to process (encrypted) DVDs directly.

A "normal" rip created with DVDDecrypter would however be usable with any existing transcoder etc. My understanding is that DVDStripper relies on this special representation and can't work without it. So indeed the absence of the possibility to rip from HD is probably simply based on the absence of IFO/VOB processing routines inside DVDStripper.

 

[timekills]

It's of course completely nonsense to claim that a "good" program would need the original DVD or an image. Indeed none of the better transcoders (apart from DVDShrink) is even able to process (encrypted) DVDs directly.

OK, hex-man.

I concur with the second paragraph. The quote above though... I'm not a fan of transcoders, and hence do not consider them good. Yes, I'm biased. But I do agree my statement was misleading. I meant that most require EITHER the DVD or the image. Most would never work with any DVD we own, since the large majorty of DVDs made today (of course) are encrypted. So without ripping first, how exactly would one use, say, DVDXCopy, or Pinnacle's InstantCopy, or Nero's Transcode? You have to make an image. That was my point. No difference with DS.

And again, I submit that I do not consider any of the three previously mentioned transcoders good - but they do illustrate my point.

 

[MackemX]

as long as the files produced after using DS are in a format that can been used with any program afterwards, should it really matter what format they are in while it's in it's processing stage?

how many times do you see posts such as 'I cannot get blah blah to load my ripped files?". I can just imagine the amount of posts that would start appearing in the same way I have seen them for IC, DVDShrink etc saying it will not load the files if it worked with previously ripped files

in time this may be implemented (no promises) but we don't need to see people requesting it over and over again. It's on the list and it's been on a while but it's not top priority at the moment as it works just fine without it

 

[zarish]

the only thing it cannot do is work on previously ripped files but if you cannot rip again using the original then it's either one of 2 things. You do not own the original or your copy is scratched and I think the latter will only matter in a few cases

it's a small thing to ask that you either rip the DVD or mount the ripped files as an image until this feature is ever implemented. Both options don't take that much usertime and it's on the hit list but it's not the main priority at the minute as a few more features need to be addressed or added

I don't think DS's success will rely on the fact it cannot work with pre ripped files, it will only add to it

On the matter of scratched discs only being important in a few cases I gather you do not have kids. Take it from a parent of 3 they get messed up between the SUV, the living room, their room, and then when they take them to friends/relatives houses. Or when they just decide to play with them.

I tend to disagree here. 10-15 minutes and another 7-8GB of HD to create the ISO image. 2-3 minutes for windows to delete the original files. Another 10-15 minutes for DS to use DVDDecrypter to rip it again (which it may not even be able to do being forced to use v3.1.7.0). So now we have added 22 to 33 minutes to the process unnecessarily. We have also significantly added to the cost as we now need software for creating the ISO image, and other software for mounting this ISO image as a virtual drive.

Reading a full disc rip that maintains proper file structure of the DVD as most good software rippers do should not be a problem and should be implemented.

 

[MackemX]

On the matter of scratched discs only being important in a few cases I gather you do not have kids. Take it from a parent of 3 they get messed up between the SUV, the living room, their room, and then when they take them to friends/relatives houses. Or when they just decide to play with them.

that's why people make backups as the originals are nice and safe

I tend to disagree here. 10-15 minutes and another 7-8GB of HD to create the ISO image. 2-3 minutes for windows to delete the original files. Another 10-15 minutes for DS to use DVDDecrypter to rip it again (which it may not even be able to do being forced to use v3.1.7.0). So now we have added 22 to 33 minutes to the process unnecessarily. We have also significantly added to the cost as we now need software for creating the ISO image, and other software for mounting this ISO image as a virtual drive.

it's free to create and mount ISO's but again this will only be for the few DVD's on your drive. As for the DVD issue, you have to give us time to adjust to another softwares updates and I applaud the patience of DS owners as they know we will do it as fast as we can. It's been a quiet December due to certain factors as well as it being XMAS and New Year

Reading a full disc rip that maintains proper file structure of the DVD as most good software rippers do should not be a problem and should be implemented.

I don't follow, doesn't DVDDecrypter do that? Reading pre ripped files from an unknown source is a different story as then the files have been modified and you do not know which way and if the structure is still valid

most DS users will probably put a disc in and click RIP after specifying paths, go away and have a 20 min break. Come back for 5-10 mins and click a few buttons to remove the crap, click Process and walk away again for 10-15 mins and come back to a stripped DVD. So it's not that much to ask is it?, as you don't have to sit at the PC during processing, so it's 2 clicks to RIP and Process and as long as it takes to remove stuff

it's your choice if you feel this is too much of an issue that it won't work with pre ripped files as you are entitled to your opinion but don't let it spoil your opinion of the whole tool