Why this happens with last BAO?

thorz · Nov 29, 2003

I have always heard beautiful things about BAO and have decided to give it a try. I have screwed a DVD-R in Nero 6 and have uninstalled it, installed ForceASPI and installed BAO 0.99b.
I was going to burn 6 movies (DiVX) in a DVD-R on my Pioneer A04 drive. I have done everything and started burning...
I then moved the BAO windows to a side in my screen and while doing this I noticed that THE LIGHT ON THE DVD-R DRIVE went OFF! I begin to panic and released the left mouse button. The disk is still burning but I am starting to think that it is going to be a cosater

Question: How a so critical program (I mean, burning is a critical function) gets blocked because the user moves its GUI window???? The last time that I saw this behavor was LONG TIME AGO in the first days of Windows 98 and with Adaptec EZ CD Cremator! Since then I have used several burning applications (Nero, Clone, Alcohol and others) and NEVER moving the GUI window affects the burning process. This looks to me like a real and BIG bug in the program. I am no developer, but it seems quite logical that the program window must be totally independent of the burning process, and it must not be perturbed by anything happening on the screen.

I would like to see your opinion about this, sure that you could say "just DON'T play with the program window while burning" but I think that it should not affect.

This is the log from BAO, not aparent errors here, the burning process is over but I have not tested the disc yet:

(I wonder why Burn free was turned off as shown by the log)

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Note: This version is an unofficial (modified) version with DVD support
Note: and therefore may have bugs that are not present in the original.
Note: Please send bug reports or support requests to <warly@mandrakesoft.com>.
Note: The author of cdrecord is not to be bothered with problems in this version.
TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM
Using libscg version 'rs-0.7+'
Driveropts: 'burnfree'
atapi: -1
Device type : Removable CD-ROM
Version : 0
Response Format: 2
Capabilities :
Vendor_info : 'PIONEER '
Identifikation : 'DVD-RW DVR-104 '
Revision : '1.41'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW.
Current: 0x0011
Profile: 0x0014
Profile: 0x0013
Profile: 0x0011 (current)
Profile: 0x0010
Profile: 0x000A
Profile: 0x0009
Profile: 0x0008
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc DVD-R(W) driver (mmc_mdvd).
Driver flags : SWABAUDIO BURNFREE
Supported modes: PACKET SAO
Drive buf size : 1638400 = 1600 KB
FIFO size : 180633600 = 176400 KB
Track 01: data 4445 MB
Total size: 5105 MB (505:49.30) = 2276198 sectors
Lout start: 5105 MB (505:51/23) = 2276198 sectors
Current Secsize: 2048
ATIP start of lead in: -150 (00:00/00)
Disk type: unknown dye (reserved id code)
Manuf. index: -1
Manufacturer: unknown (not in table)
Blocks total: 2298496 Blocks current: 2298496 Blocks remaining: 22298
Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 2 in real SAO mode for single session.
Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... Turning BURN-Free on
input buffer ready.
trackno=0
BURN-Free is ON.
Turning BURN-Free off
BURN-Free is OFF.
Performing OPC...
Sending CUE sheet...
Starting new track at sector: 0
Track 01: Total bytes read/written: 4661653504/4661653504 (2276198 sectors).
Writing time: 1674.336s
Average write speed 18.2x.
Min drive buffer fill was 68%
Fixating...
Fixating time: 48.041s
fifo had 73426 puts and 73426 gets.
fifo was 0 times empty and 17889 times full, min fill was 96%.
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scarecrow · Nov 29, 2003

Your log has nothing suspect.
DVDrecord included in BAO is just a cdrecord hack, which should not be taken too seriously- although it should work with Pioneer burners.
The sure shot would be replacing dvdrecord with cdrecord pro-DVD, but this is not possible due to licencing reasons...
The ultimate soution would be reinserting back one of the last versions of cdrecord (as the CDRDAO project seems to have stopped- again due to licencing reasons) and trying to port the DVD+RW tools hacks to Windows.
crecord patched with DVD+RW tools burns flawlessly all sorts of DVD media under Unix, and not only on Pioneer burners- practically in every burner available.
But this would mean that the BAO developer should have to effectively rewrite the whole program, which is a huge task- I don't expect something like that to happen... He simply made a bad choice when he rejected cdrecord as a burning engine, but he could not know that CDRDAO would have been abandoned.

thorz · Nov 30, 2003

scarecrow said:
Your log has nothing suspect.
DVDrecord included in BAO is just a cdrecord hack, which should not be taken too seriously- although it should work with Pioneer burners.
The sure shot would be replacing dvdrecord with cdrecord pro-DVD, but this is not possible due to licencing reasons...
The ultimate soution would be reinserting back one of the last versions of cdrecord (as the CDRDAO project seems to have stopped- again due to licencing reasons) and trying to port the DVD+RW tools hacks to Windows.
crecord patched with DVD+RW tools burns flawlessly all sorts of DVD media under Unix, and not only on Pioneer burners- practically in every burner available.
But this would mean that the BAO developer should have to effectively rewrite the whole program, which is a huge task- I don't expect something like that to happen... He simply made a bad choice when he rejected cdrecord as a burning engine, but he could not know that CDRDAO would have been abandoned.

Hi scarecrow!

I understand what you say, but it should work ok for the Pioneers no?
But my main concern is the bug about moving the window, is it only me who has noticed this? I can hardly beleave it.

scarecrow · Nov 30, 2003

I can do with the BAO window pretty much whatever I want... I use an old classic windows theme on my desktop. Have you tried another desktop theme?

thorz · Nov 30, 2003

scarecrow said:
I can do with the BAO window pretty much whatever I want... I use an old classic windows theme on my desktop. Have you tried another desktop theme?

Try this: When BAO is burning, click over the window and start to move it without releasing the left mouse button for arround 20 seconds (I know it sounds long, but none of the other programs that I have present any problem with this). It is enough time for emtying the burner buffer. Does your burner activity light goes off?
I am using the default XP theme.

Thanks for the help here.

solaris · Dec 3, 2003

@scarecrow, I wonder why you take the cdrdao vs. cdrecord discussion into this?
The poster had problems with burning DVD-R not CD-R!

Perhaps it now shows that cdrecord would have been a better choice than cdrdao. But back then, when the bao author chosed cdrdao, cdrecord had big overburning problems under cygwin.
On the second hand, cdrdao is working flawlessly for what it`s meant to do. Burning CD`s..

cdrdao is also open-source, so anyone can modify it. Even if the official development have stopped!

@thorz, the problem with stopped burning is a limitation with Visual Basic and the author has no fix for it at the moment.

Regards
Solaris (As you probably stated I am an bao fan!)

thorz · Dec 4, 2003

solaris said:
@scarecrow, I wonder why you take the cdrdao vs. cdrecord discussion into this?
The poster had problems with burning DVD-R not CD-R!

Perhaps it now shows that cdrecord would have been a better choice than cdrdao. But back then, when the bao author chosed cdrdao, cdrecord had big overburning problems under cygwin.
On the second hand, cdrdao is working flawlessly for what it`s meant to do. Burning CD`s..
cdrdao is also open-source, so anyone can modify it. Even if the official development have stopped!

@thorz, the problem with stopped burning is a limitation with Visual Basic and the author has no fix for it at the moment.

Regards
Solaris (As you probably stated I am an bao fan!)

Thanks a lot Solaris, this is the kind of answer that I like a lot from the members of this forum. It gives the exact explanation as why the problem happens. Now I know that i have to just let BAO do its work without perturbing it.