@ Oldy :
thanx for the tip. winlame is the only prog I know that encodes ogg files at 500 kbs! this way there's hardly any reduction in quality (unencoded wav: 1400 kbs; winlame ogg: 500 kbs). I used to use audiograbber to encode ogg files, but the most recent versions of audiograbber allow only encoding at 320, cdex allows 350, but that's not enough for me, 350, that's mp3 quality. but 500 kbs is really cool. the only question now, is whether winoncd and nero accept ogg files when burning audio cds with cdtext. I guess ogg comments will get lost anyway. have to test, though, first