the mother of all problems pal dvd to ntsc dvd

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Bradleyko

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Ok peeps i need to know the best way of converting pal dvd to ntsc dvd and if so save the menu too. come on people theres gotta be a way i see all these services on the internet for bringing in pal dvd movies to be converted to ntsc dvds there doing it some how so we must be able to. Please I will take all and any suggestions :D Chickenman wheres your guide for this! lol
 
ipdave

ipdave

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Software transcoding tends to be jerky, no matter how good the software is (ie, CCE).

Hardware converters work, but all the ones I have ever seen are either very expensive, limited to VCR decks only, or as they convert to TV signal first, then between the 2 formats - a lossy process.

The reason for the above is simple; digital MPEG2 to digital MPEG2 has no loss issues, but the number of frames per second is different. How do you invent frames to fill in when going from PAL to NTSC without getting jerky? NTSC to PAL you might theoretically get away with, as you would have to throw frames away and smooth out the tweening somehow.

Converting with hardware from digital MPEG2 to modulated PAL or NTSC loses a lot of resolution, but simplifies the process.

The above reasons are why most of us just spend $50-100 on a cheap DVD player that allows hardware conversion to force the output to match the TV, and bypass all regions and RCE encoding. Or take your original DVDs and make them region and RCE free. Then let the player handle it. The hardware conversion from MPEG2 directly to PAL or NTSC is far less lossy. Some players will still be a bit jerky, but not as much as trying to convert with software...
 
ipdave

ipdave

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Once again, read carefully ....

The DVD Player can force its output to either PAL or NTSC - regardless of the original DVD it is playing (ie, PAL or NTSC).

Ex: Apex Player: Hit P/N button to force the output of a PAL DVD to NTSC to match an NTSC TV. Hit P/N again to force the output of an NTSC DVD to PAL to match a PAL TV.

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Bradleyko

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wait wait wait i have a break through lol. I slowed down the pals video frame rate to that of ntsc and it works but only prob is the audio is a bit fast how can i fix that?
 
ipdave

ipdave

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Strange... PAL framerate is SLOWER than NTSC... neat trick, that. 25fps for PAL, 29.97 for NTSC...

LOL
 
ChickenMan

ChickenMan

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Check in your DVD Player Setup for TV Type and set to NTSC not Auto. The DVD Player then converts on the fly a PAL to NTSC for playback on your NTSC TV. I can watch NTSC DVD's on my PAL TV. I have an old tV and is PAL 100% only ! but I can still watch NTSC films no probs.
 
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Bradleyko

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ChickenMan said:
Check in your DVD Player Setup for TV Type and set to NTSC not Auto. The DVD Player then converts on the fly a PAL to NTSC for playback on your NTSC TV. I can watch NTSC DVD's on my PAL TV. I have an old tV and is PAL 100% only ! but I can still watch NTSC films no probs.
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ya mine dont got that :'( so does anyone have any good methods for pal to ntsc?
 
ipdave

ipdave

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Bradleyko said:
ya mine dont got that :'( so does anyone have any good methods for pal to ntsc?
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What model and make of DVD player do you have? Check with www.dvdrhelp.com to see your player's capabilities.. Again, there is no foolproof way to convert PAL to NTSC, but you could always load an MPG2 into TMPGEnc and use an NTSC template for the output. Just don't expect it to be very smooth. It will work, however.
 
ipdave

ipdave

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Region code hack posted by Bernie at March 06 2003:
Confirmed! I also have one and applied the DV-454 hack and my DV-353 is now region free. It also works perfectly with RCE Region 1 discs. I tested 2 RCE discs (The Patriot and Something About Mary) on both region hacked drives (DVD-353 and DV-656) and they work perfectly :)



Region code hack posted by Alfred at March 16 2003:
I also got the Pioneer DV-454 hack to work for this player. I also had some difficulty initially but here's what I used to make the process work:

- Make that you press 'Setup' on the remote, then select Initial Settings > Options, then press 'Display' before pressing '0' on your PDA (see post by 'Hermann' for DV-350)
- The PDA's IR is not very sensitive so try adjusting the distance between it and the player
- I used OR 2.0.7 and also got improperly imported codes, but these didn't matter in the end

My player's firmware is 1.308adv.




Region code hack posted by George at June 18 2003:
The region code hack posted by Peter on January 13 2003 for the Pioneer DV-454 worked "the first time" for my Pioneer DV-353K. Well done, Peter!

(Note: The region code hack posted by Zaphod at October 30 2002 for the Pioner DV-454 did not work at all on the Pionee DV-353K. I tried and tried)
 
ipdave

ipdave

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The "no color" problem when playing region1 DVD`s on my Pioneer DV-350 was caused by my TV that only takes PAL signals.

The player wil automaticly select signal type after the region DVD you put in the player... If you put in a region1 NTSC DVD the player wil select NTSC signal output.... and likwise PAL for region2 PAL DVD`s...
The player wil automaticly select output signal by default based on the DVD.
But here comes a tip...
By pressing and holding in the power button on the player and at the same time press one of the "skip" buttons... you can select the output signaltype.... The choises are NTSC PAL and AUTO...
This means that you can play REGION1 NTSC DVD`s on your old PAL TV whitout sending the signals through a VCR.
 
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Bradleyko

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mr.chicken man ive been trying to use the tutorial on that site and using this avs

LoadPlugin("MPEG2DEC.dll")
LoadPlugin("SmoothDeinterlacer.dll")
MPEG2Source("DRIVE:\PATH\VTS_xx_x.d2v")
SmoothDeinterlace(doublerate=true)
LanczosResize(720,480)
ChangeFPS(59.94) # or ConvertFPS(59.94)
SeparateFields()
SelectEvery(4,1,2)
Weave()
ConvertToRGB()

right and when i fill in the path to my d2v and save it and load it as video source in tmpgenc it says error line 3 but the path is right i dont know what its taking about and yes i do have the 2 dll's in the right place any ideas?
 
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celtic_druid

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What version of DVD2AVI are you using? You might want to try a newer version of MPEG2Dec or an older version of DVD2AVI.

Also if you want to use CCE instead of TMPGEnc converttoYUY2() instead.

So you have an interlaced PAL source then? Because if it is progressing then you would get better results slowing down to 23.976fps and aplying a 3:2 pulldown.
 
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