Slight Menu Problem

[DMEMPHIS]

Hi there,
Does anyone else get a problem when using the menu of the dvd-r you've just stripped and burned using this program. The disc looks and plays great, its just if i try to access a special feature that i've stripped off the disc it stops the disc as if i'd pressed the stop button ? Is this normal ? Or is it because i've downloaded and used IFO EDIT 96 instead of IFO EDIT 95 ? Also while i'm here, does anybody find burning a disc at 2x speed better picture quality than burning at 4x speed ? CHEERS, DMEMPHIS

 

[MackemX]

Hi.

use version Ifoedit 0.95 not 0.96 . Did you remove any menu's also? What happens when you press TITLE/MENU button on the remote?

as for burning at slower speeds and how it will affect playback quality etc will all depend on certain factors such as media quality, hardware, standalone used blah blah . You will get people saying burning at slower speeds gives better burns etc. Now for the boring parts , I've done tests on DVD's burnt at 4X and they look fine to me and I've never had any issues so why should I burn slower even if it's scientifically proven when it has no visible effect during playback at all for me? The pic below was a Ritek G04 DVD-R that was 4488MB (1mb to spare) burnt at 4X with Nero in a Pioneer 105. I just make my own mind up as I use a completely different setup to others and watch it through my own eyes (see the quotes in my sig)

here's a test I did with K's CD/DVD probe. The image on the left is the original and the one on the right is the 4xDVD-R and only because my Liteon is ancient and needs replacing, it increased the values of both the test results slightly

 

[old-hack]

There are two ways I know of to eliminate hangs during playback of dvd-r's once you've stripped out video associated with menu button items.

1. Remember what you stripped out and don't select that button on your menu. I don't understand why people would be using their remote to select items they know they've deleted during the stripping process.

2. Use MenuEdit (registered version) to remove the buttons that would take you to deleted/stripped out video material so you can't access those buttons. I select the option to have the cursor highlight a button that I didn't delete.

Any other method is asking for hangs during selection of video material that isn't there or has been replaced by material that is much shorter in duration. If you do get a hang, you need to push the menu button on your remote to get back to a point where you can control the playing of the dvd.

Hi there,
Does anyone else get a problem when using the menu of the dvd-r you've just stripped and burned using this program. The disc looks and plays great, its just if i try to access a special feature that i've stripped off the disc it stops the disc as if i'd pressed the stop button ? Is this normal ? Or is it because i've downloaded and used IFO EDIT 96 instead of IFO EDIT 95 ? Also while i'm here, does anybody find burning a disc at 2x speed better picture quality than burning at 4x speed ? CHEERS, DMEMPHIS

 

[DMEMPHIS]

There are two ways I know of to eliminate hangs during playback of dvd-r's once you've stripped out video associated with menu button items.

1. Remember what you stripped out and don't select that button on your menu. I don't understand why people would be using their remote to select items they know they've deleted during the stripping process.

2. Use MenuEdit (registered version) to remove the buttons that would take you to deleted/stripped out video material so you can't access those buttons. I select the option to have the cursor highlight a button that I didn't delete.

Any other method is asking for hangs during selection of video material that isn't there or has been replaced by material that is much shorter in duration. If you do get a hang, you need to push the menu button on your remote to get back to a point where you can control the playing of the dvd.

Thanks alot ( again ) for the top advise, DMEMPHIS.

 

[DMEMPHIS]

Hi.

use version Ifoedit 0.95 not 0.96 . Did you remove any menu's also? What happens when you press TITLE/MENU button on the remote?

as for burning at slower speeds and how it will affect playback quality etc will all depend on certain factors such as media quality, hardware, standalone used blah blah . You will get people saying burning at slower speeds gives better burns etc. Now for the boring parts , I've done tests on DVD's burnt at 4X and they look fine to me and I've never had any issues so why should I burn slower even if it's scientifically proven when it has no visible effect during playback at all for me? The pic below was a Ritek G04 DVD-R that was 4488MB (1mb to spare) burnt at 4X with Nero in a Pioneer 105. I just make my own mind up as I use a completely different setup to others and watch it through my own eyes (see the quotes in my sig)

here's a test I did with K's CD/DVD probe. The image on the left is the original and the one on the right is the 4xDVD-R and only because my Liteon is ancient and needs replacing, it increased the values of both the test results slightly

Thanks ( again ) for the top advise. Why not use IFO EDIT 96?

 

[timekills]

semi-off-topic

I'm forced to disagree, slightly. I have personally checked over 20 of my DVD backups (about 10%) or so, and the slower the burn, the less errors on the DVD. Uisng Kprobe, like MackemX, this is shown consistently to be evident.

Now, admittedly, a "good" DVDR (i.e. Ritek G04) 4x burn is as good (or better) than a cheap (i.e. Princo) at 1x. However, all things being equal, why not burn at 1x for movies? Remember that there is ample evidence that DVDRs degrade over time - might as well give yourself as much buffer as possible. Note the peaks of 45 on MackemX's errors. Mine on Ritek G03s never peak over 25. I'm certainly not a "better burner" than Mackem. And I doubt that our media is considerably different in initial quality - if anything, G04s are better than my G03s. But when you consider how much time you put into making the DVD, what's 45 minutes instead of 20?

Also - DON'T USE LABELS. I can't really explain it, but two recent DVDs I made suddenly became unplayable in my standalone. I measured them with KProbe, and I was getting 200+ on errors (!) FYI, DVD players can correct up to about 125 with built-in error correction. For shits and giggles, I soaked the DVDs in Goo-be-gone for about 10 minutes, removed the full coverage labels, and VOILA. Error rates < 25 again. The theory is the label heats at a different rate and/or due to imprecise attachment causes wobbling. I use the SoniX (by Imation) CD/DVD labeling equipment, so they're about as centered as humanly possible. Whatever the reason, I tried it on some other older DVDs, and the same results - when I removed the labels, my error rates dropped 50-90%.

EDIT - check the pictures for an example using Finding Nemo backup I just did.

 

[MackemX]

Note the peaks of 45 on MackemX's errors. Mine on Ritek G03s never peak over 25. I'm certainly not a "better burner" than Mackem. And I doubt that our media is considerably different in initial quality - if anything, G04s are better than my G03s.
Also - DON'T USE LABELS.

Note the pic on the left is actually the original DVD and look at the crap results I get from that. Like I said my Liteon seems to give higher results than it should and I know fine well they should actually be less. If you compare the two then there is very little between the original and the backup

the pic below is probably what an original should look like (it isn't one of my tests tho and just look at the peak towards the end)

and I agree, labels are a big no no for a few reasons

p.s. any idea what the 3 peaks are in your 2nd pic are timekills?

 

[DMEMPHIS]

I'm forced to disagree, slightly. I have personally checked over 20 of my DVD backups (about 10%) or so, and the slower the burn, the less errors on the DVD. Uisng Kprobe, like MackemX, this is shown consistently to be evident.

Now, admittedly, a "good" DVDR (i.e. Ritek G04) 4x burn is as good (or better) than a cheap (i.e. Princo) at 1x. However, all things being equal, why not burn at 1x for movies? Remember that there is ample evidence that DVDRs degrade over time - might as well give yourself as much buffer as possible. Note the peaks of 45 on MackemX's errors. Mine on Ritek G03s never peak over 25. I'm certainly not a "better burner" than Mackem. And I doubt that our media is considerably different in initial quality - if anything, G04s are better than my G03s. But when you consider how much time you put into making the DVD, what's 45 minutes instead of 20?

Also - DON'T USE LABELS. I can't really explain it, but two recent DVDs I made suddenly became unplayable in my standalone. I measured them with KProbe, and I was getting 200+ on errors (!) FYI, DVD players can correct up to about 125 with built-in error correction. For shits and giggles, I soaked the DVDs in Goo-be-gone for about 10 minutes, removed the full coverage labels, and VOILA. Error rates < 25 again. The theory is the label heats at a different rate and/or due to imprecise attachment causes wobbling. I use the SoniX (by Imation) CD/DVD labeling equipment, so they're about as centered as humanly possible. Whatever the reason, I tried it on some other older DVDs, and the same results - when I removed the labels, my error rates dropped 50-90%.

EDIT - check the pictures for an example using Finding Nemo backup I just did.

Hi mate,
Thanks for the advise, i already know from past experience, that labels can and can't cause problems.

 

[timekills]

p.s. any idea what the 3 peaks are in your 2nd pic are timekills?

Heh. This is just theory, but, I've noticed that when I play with the KProbe window during testing, i.e. click and drag it, it occasionally gives a false peak. When I redid the KProbe on a different computer with the same DVD, I played with it, and got a few peaks at different locations, but the overall average was very close to the same. So my guess is they are anomalies caused by program to drive interface error, and not actual DVD errors.