New Copy protections.

woody

woody

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The newest version of Securom,I'll call it Securom 3, is out.2 titles are Industry Giant, and Hotel Giant.The official game patch for Never Winter's Night,seems to be included.

It seems Securom 3 Blacklists all the popular duplicating tools,and software.Daemon tools,Phantom,Clone cd,Etc.are unable to make working backups.

The theory(could be way off base here)is that it uses a blacklisting feature,and a cd check to see if binary data is written back properly by the writer.Or information in the atip area cannot be written.

Olli,and the others are looking into this protection.I will report back when I know more.

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A newer version of Cactus Data Shield is also a pain.It has rendered most of the newest Plextors useless.Just FYI

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El_Matador

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Just a couple of months (maybe even days :p ) before they see there money go down the drain again :rolleyes: . When will those guys learn, what man make is always changable.

Cheers,

El_Matador

PS: Are those guys serious, they cry because of the money they loose related to piracy and what about this useless spended money.
 
woody

woody

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El_Matador,it's the never ending game of cat and mouse.You can be sure the programmers will be after the Liteon drives next.The game companies are paying big bucks to protect their games,only to have them cracked(just like you said)!

And so it goes.Many will buy the games if they are worth it.Problem is, 1 in 5 are worth buying(my opinion).
 
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El_Matador

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And so it goes.Many will buy the games if they are worth it.Problem is, 1 in 5 are worth buying(my opinion).
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That's the big problem, do they really believe that with the protections those other 4 games will go out of the computer shelves, I doubth it, but this is the mentality some marketing guys implant in the chairmans

Time will show how the card castles those guys are building will fall.

Meanwhile we can still copy and I'm sure Olli and company will make the plextor copy anything again :D .

Cheers,

El_Matador
 
VIPER_1069

VIPER_1069

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question is all these new protections out there will the same sorta probs start that happened with protected audio cds !? that they will not work in some pc drives !??!!?? :confused?!?!?!?! makes you wonder that that next £/€/$ 35 game will cost you double that to get a drive that can cope with these whacky protections !? lol !?
 
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woody

woody

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Viper,it sure is helping sales of Cdrw's and readers.The copy protections are making it necessary to have 2 drives.You need one for audio protection, and one for video game backups.

Why the f**k did they make cdrw's or dvdrw's anyways?Best thing is to just get a good Cdwriter or Dvdwriter,and wait for game releases or movie releases and download them (if you have a fast connection).

It's getting really stupid, trying to keep track of all their dumb protections.

If you can copy your own all the better!!Whatever happened to 'you are allowed one backup' of your game or movies?

I have a Plex 24X,I'll be damned if I'll buy another one because of Sony or Macrovision!!:mad:
 
VIPER_1069

VIPER_1069

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@ woody same here i got a plex 24 long live plex even tho it cant manage safedisk 2.51 (well till olli figures that one too lol :D ) its still a kick butt burner for a lot of stuff !!:D only substitue for it really is a liteon till liteon came along plex did not really have any serious competition :D

where one protection fails another is invented....... and cracked lol:)
 
woody

woody

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Yep..true Viper.The people at Liteon were,and are listening to the people,they want a writer that can backup everything.I'm sure the programmers are aimimg at the Liteon next!

The Plex is selling on it's name and reputation,the quality is really awesome.Same goes for their service.:)
 
RASTABT

RASTABT

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woody said:
Yep..true Viper.The people at Liteon were,and are listening to the people,they want a writer that can backup everything.I'm sure the programmers are aimimg at the Liteon next!

The Plex is selling on it's name and reputation,the quality is really awesome.Same goes for their service.:)
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Yeah guy's Lite-on is bein hit by these programmers from wot I've been readin. I got a Lite-on 40x overclocked to 48x and I don't copy many game's these days don't play many to. But if deah's a product or software dat can crack, but better still produce a workin copy of dat cd they will B, de next target's by these programmers.
And de only reason I went out and got dis Lite-on was speed in which it copies but most of all it was Dam cheap$$$££$$.
 
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Shoebedobedoo

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Get the Asus 40/40x or LiteOn 24x& up for protected cd's

Woody,
Thanks for the information. I too bought a Plextor 2410a in February because at that time, this model was best for pc& audio protected cd's. Lord how that changed rather quickly ;). This is a cat& mouse game and I decided to go with the Asus CRW-4012a model. I read at another forum this burner cuts the latest protections (which it does). My advice to those who don't have a compliant Safedisc2.4-2.72& SecuROM3 *new* burner, get the Asus 40/48x model or LiteOn 24x& up :D One reason why we haven't seen a new CloneCD update? I read Oliver Kastyl (author of CloneCD) is seriously working on a project concerning the SecuRom3 *new* protection, and why the Neverwinter Nights 1.21 actually changes the cd protection scheme, causing the backup to fail. This tells us just how Ollie is dedicated to his program, and those who stand with him by using what I consider the best program on the market for burnin' pc&psx cd protection :D

Shoebedobedoo:cool:
 
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Shoebedobedoo

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is there any solution for the latest SecuROM protection

This is a copy& paste thread from another forum. Woody, if you feel the need to delete this post, then do so becuase I'm not here to endorse another forum, but rather inform CD-R Soft forum members with some intersting details.

Originally posted by faust1103
Hi,

is there any solution for the new version of Securom that has shown up on new game like "Industry Gigant" or "Arx fatalis"?

Also the latest patch (1.21) for "Neverwinter Nights" (US Version) has changed the Securom protection of that game.
After the patch my backup copy of NWN (read with Toshiba 1612 and burnt with LiteOn 2410) is no longer working. My original disc however still starts the game.

Please keep us up to date on what's going on with CCD now. Since Securom protection is used by a lot of company a solution must be found quickly.

regards

faust

Ollie

We're working on it. Arx Fatalis and the NWN Patch seem to use a completely different protection scheme, e.g. they don't even look at the subchannel data anymore. I don't know yet, how it can distinguish an original from a copy.

New Info on Improved SecuROM
I don't know if this is helpful or not, but a user posted a message on FantomCD's Forum that explains how the new version of SecuROM works. I have not verified this - but I thought it might be handy information, if there is any truth in it.

The post is as follows:

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The Securom update to 1.21 makes use of a Software check Blacklist.

Fantom CD
Deamontools
CD Mate
CloneCD
Blindwrite
Nero

And many more 1:1 RAW copy programs are blacklisted in the new 1.21 Securom protection.
It is not even making use of subchannel data anymore, but checks for specific writing
patterns in bad sectors wich every 1:1 copy program handles in a different way. The one
copy program places patterns like 55 55 00 55 55 00, and an other uses patterns like
40 00 40 00 80 00 80 00 and so on to write the bad sectors on CD-R and thats exactly
what the new securom 1.21 is making use of to determan if one of the 1:1 copy programs
was used. If it finds a now'n bad sector pattern it will stop further execution of the program.
All now'n 1:1 Copy programs are blacklisted in this new protection sheme.

Great move SONY (Securom 1.21) i gues the next move is up to the Copy program makers now.
So Fantom CD it would be a good idea to come up whit a solution to write bad sectors RAW as the
appear on the original CD-Rom. If you take a closer look at the bad sectors on any given CD-Rom
in audio mode you'll see lots of rubbish instead of regular patterns on these sectors. My opinion is that
the new Securom 1.21 is making use of these differences in any kind.

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I hope this is helpful. Can anyone verify this information?


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alexnoe
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If this is true, Olli only needs to introduce a random-unreadable-sector-generator...

BUT: SecuROM new doesn't contain unreadable sectors...so they can't be part of the protection

Shoebedobedoo:cool:
 
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