London chaos!

Apparently it was just the detonators that went off without triggerin the explosove payload thankfully.

One person injured accordin to latest reports.

BaNzI :(
 
Unfortunately, no "have a go heroes" managed to tackle the fleeing would-be bombers, but there should be a wealth of forensics to go on.
 
I watched the news of this with utter disbelief. I'm still trying to catch up on it all. Was a little unerving having to fly today too.
 
It seems they have been closing in, though one suspect that refused to stop when challenged, won't be telling them anything ... with 5 bullets in him!

It appears they have got one or 2 more in better condition!


Police shoot to kill? - YES, if they believe the guy has explosives, only a head shot will do.
 
LTR12101B said:
Police shoot to kill? - YES, if they believe the guy has explosives, only a head shot will do.
Highly reasonable and democratic. At least equally reasonable to a stoned arab nerd which blasts himself amidst a busy crowd with a draft of Qu'ran verses (real or fabricated- it doesn't really matter) in his pocket, and a dozen of grenades around his waist.
I am sorry, but I cannot follow your "logic".
 



A campaign encouraging people to enter an emergency contact number in their mobile phone's memory under the heading "ICE"
(i. e. In Case of Emergency), has rapidly spread throughout the world as a particular consequence of last week's terrorist attacks in London. Originally established as a nation-wide campaign in the UK, ICE allows paramedics or police to be able to contact a designated relative next-of-kin in an emergency situation. The idea is the brainchild of East Anglian Ambulance Service paramedic Bob Brotchie and was launched in May this year. Bob, 41, who has been a paramedic for 13 years, said: "I was reflecting on some of the calls I've attended at the roadside where I had to look through the mobile phone contacts struggling for information on a shocked or injured person. Almost everyone carries a mobile phone now, and with ICE we'd know immediately who to contact and what number to ring. The person may even know of their medical history."

By adopting the ICE advice, your mobile will help the rescue services quickly contact a friend or relative - which could be vital in a life or death situation. It only takes a few seconds to do, and it could easily help save your life. Why not put ICE in your phone now? Simply select a new contact in your phone book, enter the word 'ICE' and the number of the person you wish to be contacted.
Eight out of 10 British people carry no next of kin details. Yet 80% carry a mobile phone, most of whom have it on them all the time.

There is no simpler way of letting the emergency services know who to contact should you be involved in an accident than by using ICE.
Standing for In Case of Emergency, ICE will allow ambulance crews and police officers to quickly contact a nominated person who can be informed of the incident.

* Type the acronym ICE followed by a contact name (for example, ICE - mum or ICE - David) into the address book of your mobile phone
* Save their phone number
* Tell your ICE contact that you have nominated them

ICE ADVICE
Follow these hints to get the best out of ICE:

* Make sure the person whose name and number you are giving has agreed to be your ICE partner
* Make sure your ICE partner has a list of people they should contact on your behalf - including your place of work
* Make sure your ICE person's number is one that's easy to contact, for example a home number could be useless in an emergency if the person works full time
* Make sure your ICE partner knows about any medical conditions that could affect your emergency treatment - for example allergies or current medication
* Make sure if you are under 18, your ICE partner is a parent or guardian authorised to make decision on your behalf - for example if you need a life or death operation
* Should you your prefered contact be deaf, then prefix the number with ICETEXT

http://www.icecontact.com/index.html
 
scarecrow said:
Highly reasonable and democratic. At least equally reasonable to a stoned arab nerd which blasts himself amidst a busy crowd with a draft of Qu'ran verses (real or fabricated- it doesn't really matter) in his pocket, and a dozen of grenades around his waist.
I am sorry, but I cannot follow your "logic".
Until suicide bombings came to Britain, it seems that if it was required to shoot, it would be to the torso, the largest target, since an immediate takedown is required (shooting the gun out of someone's hand is just for the movies). It's been said time and again, that if the circumstances require the use of deadly force, "shooting to wound" would put police and bystanders at greater risk.
It's a decision not taken lightly, of course, and since ther were armed police (in Britain, the ordinary cop does not carry firearms), they clearly suspected that they may be facing armed and dangerous men.

Where the target is believed to be ready to detonate a suicide bomb, they could still do so with their dying breath, even if mortally wounded in the body, so the head shot is, sadly, the only way to resolve the situtaion.



There have been mistakes before, and there will be again - this one, is too early to judge - the guy is said to be innocent, but It almost looks like he was set up as a decoy by those under observation, if he wasn't an unwitting runner for them.
Wearing a thick (bomb hiding) coat on a hot day, and vaulting a ticket barrier when challenged by police - an incredibly stupid thing to do in the current climate ... any other time, and the reaction would probably have been more restrained, but with an active terrorist cell on the loose, the police really had no choice.
 
A 27-year old christian Brazilian a decoy for islami terrorists? :D
Is it happening too often in Blairistan?
Suffice to say that the undercover policemen fecked off bigtime, but they may even get a honourable medal for that!
 
I don't agree scarecrow. There have been people of all nationalities in training. Would they be senseless enough to not have several posing as Christians?
 
as clint eastwood as dirty harry says"I shoot the bastards thats my policy" sorry but in modern times & situations u react to police like he did u stand a good chance of getting marmalised.THere will be more but thats the times we live (& die in).

As explained above by LTR Its headshots & if U think a guys got a bomb U cant be having a nice little "democratic" interview U stop him setting it off <> tragedies will happen.

Innocent people die when bombs are set off <> in fact there were quite a few muslims died in the london bombings (not the bombers) I dont think Allah would have OK'd that.

One last thing <> the politics of why London gets bombed dont matter to the Police <> they have to do their job & in times like these they will F*ck up.
 
Well, the headline I'd put over any report of the regrettable incident would be:
Why did he run?

Wrong place, wrong time, and stupid behaviour when challenged.

(Just got the answer to that on the news - the guy was an "illegal" who's visa expired two years ago, so that's why he ran - and that would get me onto an area of politics that is totally inappropriate here)


What's the alternative? A man acting suspiciously and when challenged by police, vaults a ticket barrier, runs into a station, and while police ask him politely to stop, detonates a bomb?

Sadly, there could only have been one outcome...

It is more dangerous now, for public, politicians, personalities, and for innocent people suspected of being terrorists, than at the peak of the IRA bombings, since they only went up with their bombs by accident.

As a friend who studied life and politics once said, the most dangerous man is the one who doesn't care if he gets away afterwards, or doesn't even plan to, though that was more in relation to the prospect of a "public figure" being assassinated (eg. one of the Royal family, long a prime target for the IRA).
 
How does this pic collate with the "we are not afraid" motto?
Unless "we are pissing our diapers" is the actual meaning...
Oddly enough we held a (financially speaking) catastrophic Olympic Games event here (which costed some $ 4,500 per capitae), but no terrorist was interested spoiling the party, and no citizen was seen carrying a magnum...
Maybe Greeks aren't civilized enough...
 
Why would you need to be afraid to carry a gun? or to fight back? Well, that may be a difference of opinions right there.
I would say "We are Not afraid" And "We are not victims" or "We are not sitting ducks" would fit the not afraid theme.
 
janiedriver said:
Why would you need to be afraid to carry a gun?
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