How get the best quality makin' SVCD ?

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Hi all, by far i'm makin' SVCD using the chain
flask->avisynth->tmpeg (with flask 0.6 or XIS 3 expert ed. or XMPEG, old avisynth 0.3 and tmpeg beta 12f).

I gain a good quality SVCD (very good in some cases) but at a price....the time! for convert a 60 min. film/clip my computer works for 5/6 hours with an average frame rate of 4/6 fps setting TMPEG at 2450 kbits for video and 224 kbits for audio, in "normal" quality.

If u want a little bit more quality u have to set the encoder (TMPEG) to gain more time to convert in MPEG-2, but u must consider 2/3 more hours (in some cases even more) to compute.
Finally, in some very dynamic scenes, u can get sometimes noises playing the SVCD on ur DVD player (i've seen these noises when there are many ppl movin' on the scene).

A great part of the time is needed because TMPEG want RGB frames as input, so FLASK has to convert YUV->RGB for every frame (many multiplications and additions), and the quality of what is converted depends of the implementation of the conversion's algorithm.

But i want gain the best quality in SVCD, no matter the time needed (well i'll mind on this at the right time), so i was readin' some info about CCE that as many says is the best encoder around (4 SVCD), so i want to give it a try.
 
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Sorry...i've pushed wrong button...

...so i've posted without finish to write...sorry again :D

So i try CCE and...surpise... FLASK can works at 13/14 fps (a great gain in time), but i cannot complete a whole DVD conversion cause i get a CRC error after the VAF step.

Well the questions now:

i collect many version of CCE around he net but i don't know if i've to patch them or not, without patching CCE works, but for long conversion give the previous error, anybody has a safe version of this prog? (send e-mail to hodabuttalla@yahoo.it)

I'm on right on using this prog instead of TMPEG (more velocity, more quality?)

Thx for ur time:D
 
ChickenMan

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Yes you are right, CCE will give the best quality for SVCD (crap for VCD !) but its best is the time taken. Very quick indead.

The new version of Tempgenc 2.5 is said to have an improved SVCD output though, could be worth a try.

I have used CCE ver 2.50 SP using DVD2AVI/VFAPI/CCE to make a few SVCD's and have worked no problems. Always had probs frameserving out of Flask to CCE.
 
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CCE supports framserver...

...like Video Server (or Avisynth)? (got it on videotools).
Have u patched ur copy of CCE?

First i forgot to tell that i patch it and after that i've got always the same error at the same offset:confused: (maybe the patch is no very good).

How have u used DVD2AVI, VFAPI (what's this?), CCE?
May i found some guides on doom9 or so?

Thx again

PS
Could u send me ur copy of CCE?:)
 
ChickenMan

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I use DVD2AVI ver 1.82 for SVCD's. It has a resize feature, so resize to your SVCD (480x480 NTSC or 480x576 PAL) and for Audio convert to 44.1khz.

VFAPI converts the *.d2v file to an AVI file (takes seconds) and you then drop this AVI into CCE. Set CCE up for SVCD and encode.

I use BeSweet to convert audio WAV to MP2 and mux this audio with video from CCE together using bbMPEG or TMPGEnc.

DVD2SVCD from doom9 site is probably the best ans simplest way to use CCE for SVCD's, I just wanted to try a few a few different ways first.
 
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Well thx 4 the many answers...

...just a last thing, finally i was able to complete a test of 120 sec. using CCE (still with flask), and the resulting MPEG is wrong resized (compared with the same test using TMPEG) (it seems not 480x576) and has a logo (or Copyright informations if u prefer) in lower right corner, maybe this is why i haven't still patched the program?

I had used a patch before, but it seems that didn't worked properly, cause after i launch it (and it said "program successful pathed"), CCE gives me always an error at the same offset every time i try to launch it. So i restored the unpatched version of the CCE...and that's all.

If some good boy want to send me a safe copy of CCE (or a good patcher, no viruses please) :D can use this hodabuttalla@yahoo.it

Thx, ciao ciao
 
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Thx ChickenMan...

...i'll try later when come back home...but i guess that's the same i had previously used...i'll try and report here.
Ciao ciao
 
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CCE patched

....seems succesfully, today i've done many tests using this encoder, CBR and 1 pass VBR seems to go very okay (still using XMPEG), but with 3 pass VBR i've got a bad problem, after the "VAF" step CCE gives me a CRC error that till now i don't understand very well...will try to report exact message here, maybe someone could help.
Next news in the next days....
Ciao.
 
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Last news on using CCE

Still now i've been able to encode a 61 min clip in about 114 min (wow!!), finally i had to encode the audio from wav->m2p using TMPEGEnc in about 11 min. Last but not least i've multiplexed audio&video with TMPEGenc in about 15 min.
So total conversion take 140 min. :D that's a very very good time i guess (first using Flask->avisynth->TMPEGEnc it takes about 480 min for a global conversion). And the final quality seems pretty good. I am still NOT able to do multipass VBR encode with Xmpeg->CCE (really i don't understand the error i've got). I will ask more specific question here later.
Ciao ciao:)
 
ChickenMan

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Thanks relative for helping fatboy, I've been away on a well earned 2 days of R&R.

Glad to hear its working for you.
 
Beastie Boy

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Here is a patch to disable the checksum.

h**p://w*w.bath.ac.uk/~susajb/Cinema_Craft_Encoder_2_50_SP_CRC_Patch.zip

Cheers, Beastie.
 
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Thx Beastie Boy...

...got it!:D
U mean this will solve CRC problem i had when trying to use CCE multipass VBR encoding?
If so thanks a lot man!!;)

Cheers
 
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First FILM ripped.....

....using XMPEG 4.2a->VideoServer->CCE 2.50 3 pass VBR encoding (actually there are 4 passes). Thanks to Beastie Boy all CCE CRC problems are gone!! so it was possible to do multipass VBR encoding. Now the numbers...i was encoding a 61 min film and it needed about 7 hours to complete the work (3 passes are 3+1 passes and take about 2 hours each step for 1 hour film), i've encoded separately video & audio (last one downmixing/extracting to wav with XMPG and then encoding it using TMPGEnc/toolame), last but not least multiplexed all using bbmpeg 1.24. Finally i achieved a very good quality, if u are aware how to gain a better quality....well any suggestion is welcome!!! Now I want to give a try using DVD2AVI/CCE but Doom9 guides seems to be a little bit confusing to me...i'll try.

A little question here...looking around i've found a CCE patcher by TSUNAMI (downloadable here h***://w**.dvbpool.de/), but the readme is written partially in german and i didn't understand very well what this patcher do. anyway it seems to me that it can c*ra*ck CCE, remove CRC protection and dinamically change intra/non-intra matrix on CCE (ALL IN ONE & ALL CCE VERSIONS WOW!!!), is there anybody that maybe understand german or use this prog that can confirm this or (better) explain me what exactly the prog does?
Ciao Ciao.
:D
 
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sexyminx

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i cannot get bb mpeg. i followed the link from chicken man in tutorials but it wont allow me to go there, can anyone attach it for me?
 
daveml

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Just download DVD2SVCD from doom9 , install the latest CCE crack (from this forum) then use Chicken mans Svcd tuts.
All the programs are in the download.
 
ChickenMan

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Re: First FILM ripped.....

relative said:

A little question here...looking around i've found a CCE patcher by TSUNAMI (downloadable here h***://w**.dvbpool.de/), but the readme is written partially in german and i didn't understand very well what this patcher do. anyway it seems to me that it can c*ra*ck CCE, remove CRC protection and dinamically change intra/non-intra matrix on CCE (ALL IN ONE & ALL CCE VERSIONS WOW!!!), is there anybody that maybe understand german or use this prog that can confirm this or (better) explain me what exactly the prog does?
Ciao Ciao.
:D
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Your absolutely right there. There has also been version 3.5 of this patch already posted here, just do a search for it. Does all version of standalone & pluggin from 2.25 to 2.64.0.10

If you want to make the best SVCD and have the most control over what your doing, there is only one program, thats DVD2SVCD with CCE 2.50 If your serious about SVCD's then DVD2SVCD is the way to go. Its also one of the simplest programs to use as well. The tutorial gives you links to all the software needed and a step by step guide to get some outstanding results.
Direct link to it is _http://forum.cdrsoft.cc/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7755
 
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