Has The Formating HD and the Registration Problem Fix?
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0xdeadbeef
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As an ID created from the system is used to register I already feared that the registration is bound to the system, not (only) the user. This thread seems to prove what I was worried about.
In case this is true: is this _really_ necessary? I mean everybody mourned that WinXP needs an activation and now a small shareware program seems to have worse licensing conditions...
IMHO, it would be only fair if a registered version could be used by the user on any computer. This is at least the way that any other software license works. As the copy can be identified by the registration key anway, I don't understand why it should be necessary to limit the license in this way.
In case this is true: is this _really_ necessary? I mean everybody mourned that WinXP needs an activation and now a small shareware program seems to have worse licensing conditions...
IMHO, it would be only fair if a registered version could be used by the user on any computer. This is at least the way that any other software license works. As the copy can be identified by the registration key anway, I don't understand why it should be necessary to limit the license in this way.
MackemX
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@0xdeadbeef, I will try to explain 
just imagine I gave you a name and serial to use on any PC but then that info got into the wrong hands and was then put onto the internet. Why would anyone bother buying the program when you can get a name and serial for free on the internet?
granted, personally you wouldn't release that info but what's to stop anyone paying the small price for the program and then releasing their serial?
You will always get the few who don't like this method but still use it anyway. You will also get the few who will voice their opinions which they are entitled too. You also get people who don't think twice about it as long as they get treated fairly. I have a few programs that use the same sort of protection and I have no issues with them at all, just like many others users don't
let me ask them, which method would they use if given the choice?
It's stated quite clearly in nice big red letters on the DVDStripper page in the Notes section that this key will only work for one PC, so it's not as if I'm tricking people is it?. It also explains the process involved with the ID's
you seem very dissatisfied with DVDStripper for one reason or another. I get the feeling you feel cheated judging by your input into this forum so far. All the info is there and even though you say DS works for you, perfect in fact, you still don't seem happy and I'm quite willing to refund you as you seem to have overlooked quite a lot before buying DVDStripper. All the info is there and there are no secrets, we've got nothing to hide
just imagine I gave you a name and serial to use on any PC but then that info got into the wrong hands and was then put onto the internet. Why would anyone bother buying the program when you can get a name and serial for free on the internet?
granted, personally you wouldn't release that info but what's to stop anyone paying the small price for the program and then releasing their serial?
You will always get the few who don't like this method but still use it anyway. You will also get the few who will voice their opinions which they are entitled too
. You also get people who don't think twice about it as long as they get treated fairly. I have a few programs that use the same sort of protection and I have no issues with them at all, just like many others users don'tlet me ask them, which method would they use if given the choice?
It's stated quite clearly in nice big red letters on the DVDStripper page in the Notes section that this key will only work for one PC, so it's not as if I'm tricking people is it?. It also explains the process involved with the ID's
you seem very dissatisfied with DVDStripper for one reason or another. I get the feeling you feel cheated judging by your input into this forum so far. All the info is there and even though you say DS works for you, perfect in fact, you still don't seem happy and I'm quite willing to refund you as you seem to have overlooked quite a lot before buying DVDStripper. All the info is there and there are no secrets, we've got nothing to hide
0xdeadbeef
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The one thing has to do nothing with the other and I don't want to discuss me being not completely happy with DS again and again.
I just wonder why you feel the need to have more aggressive license conditions than commercial software which is thousand times more complex than DS.
I somehow understand that you fear that illegal copies may spread otherwise, though I don't see what exact benefit you hope to get from this licensing model. Firstly, if someone distributed his copy+key, you could blacklist his registration code and exclude him from further updates. Secondy, you should be aware that each and every protection scheme will be cracked if the need is there. Or to put it in other words: as soon as DS becomes a tools a effective and idiot-proof as e.g. DVDShrink, someone will undertake the effort to analyze and remove the protection scheme. As soon as this happens, the paying customer (as me) will have to work under worse conditions than someone who illegaly copied it. IMHO it's just a matter of weeks until this will happen.
What if you decide to discontinue DS tomorrow? Then my registration becomes invalid within months (until I need to reinstall WinXP again or change Hardware)...
I just wonder why you feel the need to have more aggressive license conditions than commercial software which is thousand times more complex than DS.
I somehow understand that you fear that illegal copies may spread otherwise, though I don't see what exact benefit you hope to get from this licensing model. Firstly, if someone distributed his copy+key, you could blacklist his registration code and exclude him from further updates. Secondy, you should be aware that each and every protection scheme will be cracked if the need is there. Or to put it in other words: as soon as DS becomes a tools a effective and idiot-proof as e.g. DVDShrink, someone will undertake the effort to analyze and remove the protection scheme. As soon as this happens, the paying customer (as me) will have to work under worse conditions than someone who illegaly copied it. IMHO it's just a matter of weeks until this will happen.
What if you decide to discontinue DS tomorrow? Then my registration becomes invalid within months (until I need to reinstall WinXP again or change Hardware)...
MackemX
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@0xdeadbeef, If only it was that simple the world would be a happier place. All software gets cracked but giving a name and serial is not an option for us. We may as well have released DS for free and asked for donations. We were going to do this but then it's not fair on the small percentage that do donate, so it was decided to be priced fairly and have a protection implemented
I don't know what you mean by making DS idiot proof?, is it really that hard for you to use it as yet again you bring DVDShrink into the equation. Yes, we will slowly make it easier than it already is but it will involve some user input at some stage
how long has DVDShrink been around and how many versions has it had? Come back and tell me in 6 months how you feel about it being easy and see if you still feel the same
Compare using DS to the manual methods to get EXACTLY the same results as DS (not just removing titles like some programs do and even fail that) and then tell me it's not easy to use DS is aimed at helping people get the same, if not better results than the more complex manual stripping methods. Only Ifoedit God's are capable of these types of tasks but DS gives newbies these same stripping complex stripping options but in a far more easier and faster enviroment. They don't even have to learn anything about how a DVD structure is made up, just the basics. It cannot put the DVD in the drive for newbies just yet
surely you must use other programs apart from DVDShrink that are harder to use than DS?
yes, you are a paying customer but all I have heard is negative comments so I take it you ain't satisfied, that's why I offered you your money back. Feel free to use DS still if you like but if you go by your comments made so far, I don't think you would have bought DS if you fully understood what you were buying into. Which is it?
I'm just a normal guy like the rest of you, not some faceless corporation and customer care is high on the list and I will treat people as fair as I can but they must be fair in return
I don't know what you mean by making DS idiot proof?, is it really that hard for you to use it as yet again you bring DVDShrink into the equation
. Yes, we will slowly make it easier than it already is but it will involve some user input at some stagehow long has DVDShrink been around and how many versions has it had? Come back and tell me in 6 months how you feel about it being easy and see if you still feel the same
Compare using DS to the manual methods to get EXACTLY the same results as DS (not just removing titles like some programs do and even fail that) and then tell me it's not easy to use
DS is aimed at helping people get the same, if not better results than the more complex manual stripping methods. Only Ifoedit God's are capable of these types of tasks but DS gives newbies these same stripping complex stripping options but in a far more easier and faster enviroment. They don't even have to learn anything about how a DVD structure is made up, just the basics. It cannot put the DVD in the drive for newbies just yet surely you must use other programs apart from DVDShrink that are harder to use than DS?
yes, you are a paying customer but all I have heard is negative comments so I take it you ain't satisfied, that's why I offered you your money back. Feel free to use DS still if you like but if you go by your comments made so far, I don't think you would have bought DS if you fully understood what you were buying into
. Which is it?I'm just a normal guy like the rest of you, not some faceless corporation and customer care is high on the list and I will treat people as fair as I can but they must be fair in return
I think ox has a point in that if/once the program is cracked then the people most inconvenienced by the licensing process will be those who have paid for it.
Plus this puts quite a burden on yourself to be available for the key generation process. (I assume this could be eventually automated?). But come xmas when we get our new m/bs are you gonna want to be handing out news keys or eating mince pies with your family?
Though I fully understand your reasons for implementing this style of licensing and that you have every right to protect your investment in whatever way you see fit; ox is trying to point out that the general paying public don't like to feel 'guilty until proven innocent'.
(That's how I read it anyway).
It hasn't worked for Intuit or Microsoft.
If DS grows and establishes itself (and we all want that, don't we?) then will it work for you?
As for alternatives, nothing's perfect but if you readily accept that piracy is going to happen then you might as well accept that there is honour among thieves and some people are going to support your efforts anyway.
Plus this puts quite a burden on yourself to be available for the key generation process. (I assume this could be eventually automated?). But come xmas when we get our new m/bs are you gonna want to be handing out news keys or eating mince pies with your family?
Though I fully understand your reasons for implementing this style of licensing and that you have every right to protect your investment in whatever way you see fit; ox is trying to point out that the general paying public don't like to feel 'guilty until proven innocent'.
(That's how I read it anyway).
It hasn't worked for Intuit or Microsoft.
If DS grows and establishes itself (and we all want that, don't we?) then will it work for you?
As for alternatives, nothing's perfect but if you readily accept that piracy is going to happen then you might as well accept that there is honour among thieves and some people are going to support your efforts anyway.
MackemX
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I don't know what you mean by that but I think you may have misunderstood meibod said:
I don't really wish to continue discusisng why we chose this protection option so I'm asking people not to continue to discuss this issue regarding the protection
It is clearly stated on the site how the procedure works and if anyone feels strongly enough about it in the 1st place then the simple fact is they will not buy the product. How many sites do you see that do not list this type of info that I list. I try to make sure the user knows what they are buying due to the lack of a demo. Most of Ox's points that he has raised so far all seem to be things he has missed regarding information that was already there. That's why I offered him a refund as I think he just ain't happy with the whole thing even though he has stated it works for him
this is the exact reason I ask people to ask questions first and then decide to buy when they are 100% sure they want to. If they are not happy with the program due to it not working after buying then we will do our best to make them happy by addressing the issues ASAP. All we ask in return is that the user gives us time to address the issue. Only one person has asked for and received a refund due to them having Ifoedit issues in the earlier versions even though those issues are probably OK now
some people are not even reading the emails/update posts asking for simple info to make things easier
and it's human nature I suppose to overlook things. People will probably not even read the Notes but I try to help as much as I can so nobody feels cheated in any waywe are just the small guys and if people use the cracks then they will just end the project quicker than it started. I know there are genuine people out there but not everyone will support us as even the free programs get very few donations
even if we charged £1 I think some people would still use a crack, that's the way it is. 'Owt for Nowt' as they say in my neck of the woods which means anything for nothing
I'm pretty sure come XMAS most people will understand if there are any slight delays if it's not automated and if some don't I can tell you it's a very very small percentage
. Won't everyone else be doing the same handing out of pies?. I don't think many will be backing up DVD's on XMAS Day cheers
For MackemX, THE [great] MadGuy & Existing or {new} Potential Users,
Given 1) the pre-existing, proven & well earned reputation of 'timely', 'considerate' & 'valuable support' from MackemX AND 2) the ACTUAL existence and performance [with continuing delvelopment] of DVDStripper, I'll leave "protection" arguements to the 'purists' vs the 'authors'. {May the authors prosper!!!!!!!}
As a "thrilled-to-pay", hassle free user-to-date of DVDStripper, I AND my XPMachine love it AND the communication/upgrade service are impressively of a professional grade far beyond other ?semi-similar? software(s) offering 1/2 as much in theory and little in reliable, fast results.
Not to offend, but anyone dis-satisfied with DVDStripper's author's, the program, its protection and/or its support, should request a refund and then try a full course experience with DVDXCopy; the program(s) and the forum!
My hope is that the two authors' time will be focused upon personal forum feedback, user guides and building an ever better DVDStripper.
Beyond the above......My continuing thanks to this forum, Doom's too and the other helpful posters here. This is a GREAT site!
p.s. - Curtain Call,
Arianos, A word of wisdom, from a wise-man, please!, ;-),
Given 1) the pre-existing, proven & well earned reputation of 'timely', 'considerate' & 'valuable support' from MackemX AND 2) the ACTUAL existence and performance [with continuing delvelopment] of DVDStripper, I'll leave "protection" arguements to the 'purists' vs the 'authors'. {May the authors prosper!!!!!!!}
As a "thrilled-to-pay", hassle free user-to-date of DVDStripper, I AND my XPMachine love it AND the communication/upgrade service are impressively of a professional grade far beyond other ?semi-similar? software(s) offering 1/2 as much in theory and little in reliable, fast results.
Not to offend, but anyone dis-satisfied with DVDStripper's author's, the program, its protection and/or its support, should request a refund and then try a full course experience with DVDXCopy; the program(s) and the forum!
My hope is that the two authors' time will be focused upon personal forum feedback, user guides and building an ever better DVDStripper.
Beyond the above......My continuing thanks to this forum, Doom's too and the other helpful posters here. This is a GREAT site!
p.s. - Curtain Call,
Arianos, A word of wisdom, from a wise-man, please!
, ;-), 
woody
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Okay...enough bickering about the registration process.
MackemX says to email him if you have a problem.He stands behind the product,as does TheMadGuy.
I can personally state that both of them are two of the most honest,and dedicated people I know.The program will be continually updated,and bugfixes will be done.They will go out of their way,and have, to keep everyone happy.
Just relax,and enjoy a very nice tool.
I'm closing this thread because I've said all that needs to be said.
Thankyou to everyone that has supported the guys.
MackemX says to email him if you have a problem.He stands behind the product,as does TheMadGuy.
I can personally state that both of them are two of the most honest,and dedicated people I know.The program will be continually updated,and bugfixes will be done.They will go out of their way,and have, to keep everyone happy.
Just relax,and enjoy a very nice tool.
I'm closing this thread because I've said all that needs to be said.
Thankyou to everyone that has supported the guys.
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