DVDStripper Questions

wstadmin

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First, let me say that I really like this tool. However a few points:

1. Why is the tool really any better than products like CloneDVD2 that auto remove titles from DVD's? Outside of the fact that you can use DVDShrink/Nero Recode2 - which do not/or do not efecctivly remove titles.

2. I would have been really happy if the tool removed the entire title from play period. In other words, certain DVD's have previews after you hit play from the menu. Although you can remove all of the content of the preview with DVDStripper, you are not removing the title/chapters from play. This would be a shignificant feature if you could completly remove chapters all together and have them not play at all - not even for 1 second.

Again, great product if using it with DVDShrink or Nero Recode2 - otherwise CloneDVD2 does the same thing much faster.
 

Arianos

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wstadmin said:
First, let me say that I really like this tool. However a few points:

1. Why is the tool really any better than products like CloneDVD2 that auto remove titles from DVD's? Outside of the fact that you can use DVDShrink/Nero Recode2 - which do not/or do not efecctivly remove titles.
DVDStripper is a Stripper only and now donationware. CloneDVD2, apart from the fact that it's a commercial tool (=costs money) cannot remove clips or warning screens etc from VIDEO_TS.VOB. I won't even go into the 'still picture' of Shrink/recode. :) Agreed CloneDVD2 it is a lot faster, but you CANNOT remove cells, only titles.
2. I would have been really happy if the tool removed the entire title from play period. In other words, certain DVD's have previews after you hit play from the menu. Although you can remove all of the content of the preview with DVDStripper, you are not removing the title/chapters from play. This would be a shignificant feature if you could completly remove chapters all together and have them not play at all - not even for 1 second.
Indeed it would be, and in many cases that is the case. Unfortunately, on many complex DVDs when you remove a lot of stuff, you have to 'endure' a few seconds of black screen. That happens for keeping the file structure valid. If you feel lucky (compliance wise) you can use Titleset Blanker.

Again, great product if using it with DVDShrink or Nero Recode2 - otherwise CloneDVD2 does the same thing much faster.
Uhm, again, not EXACTLY the same thing my friend :).
 

wstadmin

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Arianos said:
DVDStripper is a Stripper only and now donationware. CloneDVD2, apart from the fact that it's a commercial tool (=costs money) cannot remove clips or warning screens etc from VIDEO_TS.VOB. I won't even go into the 'still picture' of Shrink/recode. :) Agreed CloneDVD2 it is a lot faster, but you CANNOT remove cells, only titles.
Yes I agree that you have to pay a fee for DVDClone2, but as far as removing items from VIDEO_TS, I can easily remove them by using IFOEdit myself - in most cases less than 2-3 minutes. DVDClone can rip the dvd to the hard drive first than use IFOEdit to remove the FBI warning etc...

Therefore, I am still wondering where the real power of this tool is.

Arianos said:
Indeed it would be, and in many cases that is the case. Unfortunately, on many complex DVDs when you remove a lot of stuff, you have to 'endure' a few seconds of black screen. That happens for keeping the file structure valid. If you feel lucky (compliance wise) you can use Titleset Blanker.


Uhm, again, not EXACTLY the same thing my friend :).
 
The real power Of DVD stripper is it does just that for the dummies amongst us who cant/dont want to learn the intricacies of IFO Edit etc

As far as Im concerned DVD Stripper Does what it says on the tin & comparing with other s/ware is fine BUT u can go on forever saying "I can do this better with so & so" well for example U mention Clone DVD (I reckon thats rubbish but thats just an opinion!):cool: :cool:
 

wstadmin

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I am not putting the software down. In fact I am using it. It's just that I see much more potential here. If the author could simply add functionality to remove a title from play all togther, than this would be an excellent product.

As for removing the warning screens at the beginning of the move, 99% of the time they are in TS_VIDEO.IFO - if you use VOBrator to open this file, you can see the individual VOB IDS and play them 1 at a time. Remember the ones you want out. Load TS_VIDEO into IFOEdit scroll to the bottom, highlight the VOBID that you want to remove, and press the delete playback button. It's that simple.

And yes, DVDClone 2 is an excellent "QUICK" backup tool. With my machine, a P4 2.8ghz machine, an external DVD ROM 16x, I can rip and burn in under 25 minutes.

However,, with more complex movies that require more compressison, I am using the following:

DVDStripper to take the Movie and Menus
Recode2 to do a dual pass analysis (deep analysis) and compress
Nero Burn ROM to burn the dvd

This takes me about 1 hour per movie.
 
Hi and welcome to the forums wstadmin :)

I understand all your suggestions but what you ask for is basically impossible without major reauthoring of the DVD but that's not to say it's impossible. It's just not worth the hassle as DVD's can be very complex. I guess the best thing would be to jump the missing parts by modifying commands etc but again not worth the time/effort

I can tell by your post that your standalone DVD player/CloneDVD are quite forgiving as using the delete playback button does not create a compliant DVD. Some players will barf on it along with a few transcoder tools as it basically is a 'hack'. Completely removing any VOB ID from a DVD can also create playback issues as fussy standalone player owners will testify to

we all know about other tools that can strip etc but one major weakness of CloneDVD is that is cannot strip menu's. Menu's can contain more than intros etc such as extra languages and on some DVD's over 500MB of blank video. This blank video confuses the likes of CloneDVD/Recode 2 and takes ages to process. Recode 2 can only compress it to around 60% of it's original size and Clone DVD takes an eternity to process it also

it's strange how DVD 'manufacturer's' don't pick up on this fact that filling the DVD with dummy blank video can confuse most transcoders. Another thing that confuses some of them is linking all the 0.12/0.15 blanks in the PGC's. DS is now probbaly for the more advanced DVD's and pre Recode2 and CloneDVD basically did a lot more than the others but even DS struggles due to the IfoUpdate process :(

You don't have to tell me about potential :D, just look around at my posts moaning about the lack of programming in this area. The saddest thing about it all is that I've been stripping DVD's for ages now. In that time I have increased my knowledge in exactly what you can and cannot do and how to do it. I tried my hardest to get a tool to do it asking numerous programming 'people in the know' to help, yet none were interested (even now) and in the end TMG stepped forward but looking back, we set about it the wrong way by relying on other tools and therefore limited DS's development

Even so, instead of spending hours stripping a DVD using the old manual Ifoedit method, anyone could do it without any real knowledge which was it's aim as plenty used my Ifoedit stripping guides (RIP). Ifoedit is a great tool but most suffer from Ifoeditphobia and trying to hunt out that elusive VOB ID is sometimes not that easy ;). Most of the transcoders were playing a catchup game when it came to stripping video content and basically some have caught up a little :)

That doesn't mean they know what they are doing as CloneDVD is just copying a well known insert VOBID1/CELLID1 method fine tuned by me and the guys over at Doom9 (here's one thread HERE working with the great 2COOL :cool: & JFerguson), but even that has it's issues but people don't see it due to forgiving players ;). I also don't like the way it remaps the VOB ID's but maybe it's harmless. Recode2 is just using an ancient remux method (from which I developed most of my methods) and that's why it's playback is for the same length of the original. You could do this remuxing method with Ifoedit in 2002 so it shows you how far behind these tools are ;)

some can also use the early version of MenuModder to disable those buttons to the removed content

p.s. speed isn't everything and as The Poacher mentions 'each to his own'. I would just use whatever tools suits the requirements of the DVD :D. Intervideo DVDCopy is the best 'stripper' in my eyes and whups CloneDVD's a$$ (even DS) and has for months yet it's chapter stripping capabilities (probably over 5 months now) are not so well known ;). As for the 'infamous' quality issues between the tools, I couldn't care less as I don't make DVD backups
 
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