DVDReBuilder CCE Settings...

[TheGame7]

I am planning to use 3 pass VBR in DVDReBuilder and have CCE 2.5 set as the encoder (may upgrade to 2.66 but not sure if it will be any large improvement).

Firstly, going by the tutorial stored here, it suggests setting the path to CCE to a program called eclcce?

Does this still need to be done if I have the full copy of CCE?

Now to the actual settings:

I understand that the default bias is 30 and decreasing it makes the VBR more variable. The tutorial suggests 20, does altering this setting make much of a difference? What are people's experiences when changing this?

Then there is the Quality_Prec setting - the guide suggests setting it at 15 but in my version of DRB, there is no 15 but there is a 12 and a 16. What does this setting actually do? Is lower better or higher?

Thanks in advance.

Any help much appreciated.

TheGame7

 

[DD51]

Me too...

I am most interessted in these settings too...I have mine set at 15 and my
Quality_Prec setting @16...there is no 15 as you say.

I've done only 1 movie with it at a compression of 70.2 and it looked pretty good!

I hope someone can reply as to what settings are (don't want to say it but feel i have to) best!

Regards,

 

[ChickenMan]

You need to use EclCCE with version 2.50 of CCE wether its full version or Demo. You also need to use EclCCE with 2.6x if Demo versions but NOT if full versions. CCE Lite does not need EclCCE either.

Going from 2.50 to 2.66 will NOT give you any more quality, just a 15-20% slower conversion.

The Bios setting, most people that use cce for dvd conversions have settled on 20 (the default also used in DVD2SVCD). Thats what I've been using for the past year or more.

Quality_Prec setting - well a sticky one as even the author has not fully explained this one and there is no mention in the CCE manual. I/we assume its the "Image Quality Priority" as in DVD2SVCD. With CCE 2.50 the "normal" is 17 to 20 (scale goes from 1 to 100) while in cce ver 2.6x the scale goes from 1 - 60. The scale in RB has now been set to 2.6x 1-60 scale, so a setting of 12 will give you 20 id using cce 2.50. Read the cce manual for full explanation, but they again are the settings I have been using for the past year or so and I do get great results. Now using RB, I see no different from using DVD2SVCD as regards pic quality using these settings.

 

[DD51]

Chickenman,

Many, many, many thanks for the response. I appreciate your feedback very much. It's scary how much you know this stuff. I wish I new more

Kind regards,

 

[TheGame7]

Thanks ChickenMan. I think I will go with your suggestion and go for a setting of 12 when using CCE 2.5.

Since you say there is no improvement when using 2.66, I will steer clear of this, more process time is the last thing I want.

Cheers again.

 

[ChickenMan]

I just did a comparison between 2.50 and the latest 2.67.0.23. Again 2.67 was slower than 2.50 by about 7% so its faster than 2.66 but still slower than 2.50. Of course there is no picture quality difference either.

Let us know how you get on. Ther is also RB version 0.35 out now.

 

[TheGame7]

Sorry to pursue this again, but if your recommended setting for CCE 2.50 is 12, what is it for CCE 2.66? 16 or 20 or something else?

Thanks.

P.S. What processor does your computer have?

And do you have that AudioDub(BlankClip()) on or off.

Cheers.

Sorry if I am being repetitive..

 

[MysticE]

Been reading all this stuff with great interest. I currently have CCE 2.50 but the only version of EclCCE I can find is 1.8b. It does not seem to work properly with Rebuilder and CCE 2.50, although if If I open EclCCE separately after Rebuilder's first step I can encode and then go back to Rebuilder to merge. But I've no way to set the number of passes this way.

Is there anywhere I can find ver. 1.7 of EclCCE?

The one disc I tried, 'Heat', I first ripped with Shrink and re-authored, Movie only with English 5.1 (uncompressed). All went well using the 2 step method I described above, the quality was nice... but I noticed a very, very slight pause/disturbance after each chapter.

Would like to try another with Decrypter and EclCCE ver 1.7 using the settings ChickenMan recommends, if I can find 1.7.

Thanks

 

[ChickenMan]

The latest ver of RB is now 0.36a, the author has been working on removing the known bug of pauses/jerks at or near chapter points. So if you dont have that, give it a try.

From what I read eclcce 1.8b should now work with RB, everyone is saying it does. But not with earlier versions of RB. I'm still using 1.7a simply because I've been lazy and havent updated it yet I've attached it if needed.

For cce 2.6x, I'd set it to 16. Its not that important really.

 

[MysticE]

@ChickenMan

Thanks for the info and the file. Back to the trenches.

 

[Maksa]

DVDRB Doesn't calculate compression factor>>

DVDRB Doesn't calculate compression factor correctly. I tried to back up The Good, The Bad & The Ugly and I ended up with 5.7 GB directory. I went and changed DVDREBUILDER.ECL file manually to lower average bit rate and than it worked OK. Just my 2c and if anyone has something better to really make it "once click", please post it.
Regards,

 

[Laz]

DVDRB Doesn't calculate compression factor correctly. I tried to back up The Good, The Bad & The Ugly and I ended up with 5.7 GB directory. I went and changed DVDREBUILDER.ECL file manually to lower average bit rate and than it worked OK. Just my 2c and if anyone has something better to really make it "once click", please post it.
Regards,

Make sure you post your findings in the bugs thread at the RB forum here:- http://forum.doom9.org/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=75 Will help them no end in bettering the software.

Also this should be of help to all wanting a setup/instalation guide:- http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74308

 

[ChickenMan]

DVDRB Doesn't calculate compression factor correctly. I tried to back up The Good, The Bad & The Ugly and I ended up with 5.7 GB directory. I went and changed DVDREBUILDER.ECL file manually to lower average bit rate and than it worked OK. Just my 2c and if anyone has something better to really make it "once click", please post it.
Regards,

A good idea also to mention what version you used as they are being bug fixed and new versions issed almost daily. The author has played with the internal bitrate calculatrions in recent versions and how its calculataed.

I've a couple dozen or more DVD's so far with RB and everyone has come out between 4.29gb and 4.33gb with 90% of them exactly 4.30gb. So I would call that a simple 1 click solution for me.

 

[Laz]

I've done about 20 myself now too and all were between 4.29GB with quite a few coming out at 4.33GB so no complaints from me so far on size.

Just had the one film that would not process and that was Cinema Paradiso.

 

[Maksa]

Details on DVDRB

I have used V0.35 and CCE 2.5. I did NOT use option where Rebuilder can assign different bit rates for different parts of VTS. I suspect that compression factor was determined from the first part which was unfortunately short. DVDRB said that it is doing 85.7% compression and when I calculated original 6.6G DVD, that was just about right (5.7G). I will try V0.37 and report.
Regards,
Maksa