Thanx Chicken Man for advice so far. Using DVD2SVCD and the quality appears excellent. Using most default setting and a newer plexi. I end up with 2 cue/bin files . With nero the first burns great but the second always gives me grief, says things like insert blank cd{it is} and there is not enough room on cd. It is the same size as first. When i use fireburner it either shuts down before completed or quality is lousy. Burning at 4x always. Using latest releases always. If you need more info let me know. Thanx again