BootDisc - BAO wont read floppy ?

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maa

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Hi,
I used to make my Dos boot CDs with WinOnCD3.8 but that wont support my LiteOn52x Writer so WinOnCD6.0 was next on my list.
That is somehow buggy - works once and then the second time it doesn't - coaster.

BurnAtOnce can't read my Floppy drive or I can't find the dialog to do so.
I tried making an ISO of the floppy and adding it to the compilation but the resulting CD didn't boot.
Looking at the other dialogs it would seem that I could set the standards I need.

Anyone done this ?
 
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maa

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Well I tried Boot Image but BAO said the image was too big !

THEN I had an idea:
I used VGAcopy ver6 freeware to make an image .VCP
I then renamed it to .img and it was accepted!

The CD booted just fine BUT the folders aren't writen in a way that they can be opened in Dos mode :(

This is the same problem that I had with Nero 'till I discovered you have to check 8+3 names, Joilet and Dos Naming although it says it might not be readable under Dos - it is - exactly the way WinOnCd3.8 was with Longname~1
 
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maa

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LTR12101B said:
http://dvalot.chez.tiscali.fr/emtcopy.htm
Looks like this can make an IMG of a floppy, that BAO should accept
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Thank you.
True - it can make self restoring images too - great.

VGAcopy is a good program in another way because it can repair floppys and write between the tracks if neccessary - also works fine for making an image.

The second problem is not caused by the Floppy Image - its BAO thats not creating a proper Dos compatible TOC !
 
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solaris

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scarecrow said:
I'd rather blame it on the user applying wrong settings and violating the ISO 9660 restrictions...
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Yup, that is certainly a user fault. burnatonce only does what it is told to do! :)
 
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maa

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solaris said:
Yup, that is certainly a user fault. burnatonce only does what it is told to do! :)
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What a silly reply !
solaris Would you care to back up that statement by posting the correct settings ?

I tried every setting there is in the program - it wont allow entry into Folders that have long filenames in real DOS mode (not a Dos Box).
So unless someone has the right combination of settings BAO is useless for making Boot CDs containing 8+3 and LFNs that can be used in a DOS only or Windows enviroment.

P.S.
I posted a question about this on the official forum but it hasn't been answered yet.
 
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scarecrow

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maa said:
What a silly reply !
solarisit wont allow entry into Folders that have long filenames in real DOS mode (not a Dos Box).
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Of course it won't! Why did you expect DOS becoming clever by using a particular program? Reading such filenames and entering such directories is possible only when you are under a 32-bit environment, e.g. the Win2000 or XP recovery console. In short, including filenames longer than 8+3 is possible on NT based bootable CD's (which have NOTHING to do with DOS), but NOT on 9X ones- period.
 
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maa

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Oh Dear !!!

Looks like no one hear can duplicate or understand what I want.

I have been making Boot CDs for years - when newer programs or hardware comes out I make a new one - simple.

A Boot CD made with a Floppy emulates Drive A: (Floppy drive becomes drive B:)

The drivers on the Floppy start the Dos CD driver (you can use the Win98 EBD for this)

The rest of the CD is filled with Dos only 8+3 folders and files AND Windows programs and tools that very often use LFNs

WinOnCD 3.8 is capable of creating such a CD as is Nero 5.5.10.xxx
The burning software makes two TOCs - one for 8.3 and one for Joilet.
Long Folder names like "Windows Media Player" are shortened to Window~1 and are accessable under DOS with the above mentioned two programs.

BOA doesn't seem able to do this.

Its a shame that people who obviously know nothing about this procedure act like experts and answer anyway with guesswork - would be better to just not answer at all.

@scarecrow
entering such directories is possible only when you are under a 32-bit environment
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Wrong !
If you had said "I do not think thats possible" you would have saved your credibility.
 
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scarecrow

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Boy, it is fun when someone like you expresses such an authority when it does not know a thing or two about his subject...
Under BAO's ISO settings, just leave "compliant PVD" checked in, mkisofs (not BAO) will truncate all directory and filenames to 8+3, actually it does not need one being a genius to understand that... neither that you can use joliet extensions on a DOS bootable CD, but you shouldn't expect to access those directories under DOS... I am sure you are not convinced yet, plese go out and tell that guy (Andy McFadden) it says nonsense:
http://cdrfaq.org/faq04.html#S4-2
http://cdrfaq.org/faq03.html#S3-5
In any case, you may submit your discovery to the next computer technology forum and probably earn a nobel prize...
You see, it does not matter at all what I or you think about something, it is just FACTS that matter, and unfortunately you don't have any clue about them. In fact, it seems that you cannot even understand the difference between a full name and a truncated/translated one...
I've had enough of you, have a very nice day.
 
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maa

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@scarecrow
Its not supprising you are annoyed - you're quotes are in compliance with what I'm trying to do - no nonsense there. You have not understood and shouldn't be answering if you can't help.

So if there is anyone left of this forum who can answer here is a comparison of the views.

A directory looks like this in windows:

Longfilename
+AnotherLonfilename
------+DirectoryA
------------------File.exe
------DirectoryB
------DirectoryC
Temp
Temp2

When booted into Dos:
Longfi~1
+Anothe~1
------+Direct~1
------------------File.exe
------Direct~2
------Direct~3
Temp
Temp2

All files are accessable in Windows and Dos.

I didn't come here to prove this works I thought others would know if its possiblwe with BAO. Those who pretend they know it doesn't just make fools of themselves which doesn't shed a good light on the value of any other answers they give.
If BAO can't do this then OK - it would have been nice.
 
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LTR12101B

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I recall reading (but can't find my reference), that if you want to combine a BOOT CD and long filienames (Joliet), then it has to be made multisession, with the Joliet names placed only in the second session.

I can't guarantee that's right, but I definitely remember it from somewhere.
 
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scarecrow

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LTR12101B said:
I recall reading (but can't find my reference), that if you want to combine a BOOT CD and long filienames (Joliet), then it has to be made multisession, with the Joliet names placed only in the second session.

I can't guarantee that's right, but I definitely remember it from somewhere.
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That is correct- although 1. Not all CD-ROM's can boot multisession CD's, and 2. The joliet session is not accessible at all under DOS, of course.
 
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maa

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LTR12101B said:
then it has to be made multisession, with the Joliet names placed only in the second session.
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Thanks for the reply,

- that may indeed be the way WinOnCD and Nero do it, its just that BAO doesn't seem able and the BAO author doesn't seem interested either.
So no one on this forum know how to make Dos compatible CDs with BAO?
Oh well....
 
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