DVD output size is always below DVD size

[ruipb]

Hi there,

I have been trying to convert AVI-> DVD ("Before Sunsire.avi") and everything runs fine but following the right passes in the program (I think), my output size is always 517 MB (I choose DVD (DVD-5 4.7 GB)).
I have tried the beta version but I get the same result, and worst I have already sucessfuly made 2 dvd's some time ago, and I remenber that I had another 2 avi's that get the same result (with 128 MB lenght)
Could this have anything to do with my choice of making only 2 passes with CCE 2.5.0
I will attach TFM.log if there's no problem:

"--------------------------------------------------------
- 14-11-2004 11:09:38
- AVI to DVD conversion
- The FilmMachine version 1.4.0.1 beta
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Initializing.
Initializing finished.

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- 14-11-2004 11:09:39
- Free on drive E: 18,53 GB
- Creating and Merging Subtitles
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Writing E:\output\TFM_Subtitle_File.ssa
Saving Subtitle File

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- 14-11-2004 11:09:40
- Free on drive E: 18,53 GB
- Audio Extraction
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Extracting audio from AVI file
Audio extraction finished.

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- 14-11-2004 11:10:20
- Free on drive E: 18,44 GB
- Audio Conversion
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Executing BeSweet DLL. Commandline:
-azid( -L -3db -c normal -s surround2 -g max ) -ota( -fs 48000 ) -shibatch( --rate 48000 ) -ac3enc( -b 224 )
Audio conversion finished.


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- 14-11-2004 11:17:37
- Free on drive E: 18,37 GB
- Video Encoding using Cinema Craft Encoder SP 2.50
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Executing Cinema Craft Encoder.

TFM_Project_File.ecl found
TFM_Project_File.ecl encoding started at 11:17:40
Creating TFM_Video_Info_File.vaf
Creating TFM_Enc_Video.mpv
TFM_Project_File.ecl encoded at 13:02:32
Encoding finished

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- 14-11-2004 13:02:35
- Free on drive E: 18,00 GB
- Video PullDown
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PullDown is working in the background.....
Video PullDown finished.

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- 14-11-2004 13:03:35
- Free on drive E: 18,00 GB
- Creating DVD compliant files
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Mplex is multiplexing the video and audio stream.....
mplex version 2.0.0 (2.2.3 $Date: 2004/01/13 20:45:26 $)
File E:\output\TFM_PU~1.MPV looks like an MPEG Video stream.
File E:\output\TFM_EN~1.AC3 looks like an AC3 Audio stream.
Video stream 0: profile 8 selected - ignoring non-standard options!
Found 1 audio streams and 1 video streams
Selecting dvdauthor DVD output profile
Multiplexing video program stream!
Scanning for header info: Video stream e0 (E:\output\TFM_PU~1.MPV)
VIDEO STREAM: e0
Frame width : 720
Frame height : 480
Aspect ratio : 4:3 display
Picture rate : 29.970 frames/sec
Bit rate : 9800000 bits/sec
Vbv buffer size : 229376 bytes
CSPF : 0
Scanning for header info: AC3 Audio stream 00 (E:\output\TFM_EN~1.AC3)
AC3 frame size = 896
AC3 AUDIO STREAM:
Bit rate : 28672 bytes/sec (224 kbit/sec)
Frequency : 48000 Hz
SYSTEMS/PROGRAM stream:
rough-guess multiplexed stream data rate : 10236200
target data-rate specified : 10080000
++ WARN: Target data rate lower than computed requirement!
++ WARN: N.b. a 20% or so discrepancy in variable bit-rate
++ WARN: streams is common and harmless provided no time-outs will occur
Run-in Sectors = 89 Video delay = 13019 Audio delay = 0
New sequence commences...
Video e0: buf= 237568 frame=000000 sector=00000000
Audio bd: buf= 16384 frame=000000 sector=00000000
Scanned to end AU 145191
STREAM e0 completed @ frame 145191.
STREAM bd completed @ frame 189236.
Multiplex completion at SCR=544969874.
Video e0: buf= 200128 frame=145191 sector=00179617
Audio bd: buf= 2048 frame=189236 sector=00084106
VIDEO_STATISTICS: e0
Video Stream length: 361757784 bytes
Sequence headers: 9680
Sequence ends : 1
No. Pictures : 145191
No. Groups : 9680
No. I Frames : 9680 avg. size 31292 bytes
No. P Frames : 38719 avg. size 501 bytes
No. B Frames : 96793 avg. size 407 bytes
Average bit-rate : 477600 bits/sec
Peak bit-rate : 578800 bits/sec
BUFFERING min 163575 Buf max 197056
AUDIO_STATISTICS: bd
Audio stream length 169556352 bytes.
Frames : 1908806479
BUFFERING min 35 Buf max 707
MUX STATUS: no under-runs detected.
Multiplexing finished.

DVDAuthor is writing the VOB files.....
Locale=C
Converting filenames to US-ASCII
dvdauthor creating VTS
Video pts = 0.178 .. 6055.877
Audio[0] pts = 0.178 .. 6055.762
Generating VTS with the following video attributes:
MPEG version: mpeg2
TV standard: ntsc
Aspect ratio: 4:3
Resolution: 720x480
Audio ch 0 format: ac3/2ch, 48khz drc, 'en'
dvdauthor creating table of contents
Scanning E:\output\DVD/VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_0.IFO
Writing VOB files finished.

Finished authoring DVD

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- 14-11-2004 13:07:26
- Free on drive E: 17,99 GB
- DVD creation finished!
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"

Thanks in advance,

Rui Pedro

[Derodeo]

I'm getting the same thing happening and what's really frustrating is that TFM used to work great. Now in the DVD folder I get the VTS_01_0.VOB and maybe part of the VTS_01_1.VOB file and that's it. It now happens all the time and I've tried both 1.3 and 1.4beta.

TFM.log:
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- 14/11/2004 9:59:02 AM
- AVI to DVD conversion
- The FilmMachine version 1.4.0.1 beta
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Initializing.
Initializing finished.

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- 14/11/2004 9:59:04 AM
- Free on drive N: 77.22 GB
- Merging Avi Files with VirtualDubMod
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Merging AVI files with VirtualDubMod
Creating VirtualDubMod job file
VirtualDubMod is working in the background.....
Avi merging finished.

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- 14/11/2004 10:04:51 AM
- Free on drive N: 75.85 GB
- Audio Extraction
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Extracting audio from AVI file
Audio extraction finished.

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- 14/11/2004 10:06:07 AM
- Free on drive N: 75.68 GB
- Audio Conversion
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Executing BeSweet DLL. Commandline:
-azid( -L -3db -c normal -s surround2 -g max ) -ota( -fs 48000 ) -shibatch( --rate 48000 ) -ac3enc( -b 192 )
Audio conversion finished.


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- 14/11/2004 10:15:05 AM
- Free on drive N: 75.68 GB
- Video Encoding using Cinema Craft Encoder SP 2.67
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Executing Cinema Craft Encoder.

TFM_Project_File.ecl found
TFM_Project_File.ecl encoding started at 10:15:10 AM
Creating TFM_Video_Info_File.vaf
Creating TFM_Enc_Video.mpv
Could not find second encoding window, checking again...
Still could not find second encoding window, checking again...
TFM_Project_File.ecl encoded at 11:35:52 AM
Encoding finished

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- 14/11/2004 11:35:55 AM
- Free on drive N: 75.26 GB
- Video PullDown
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PullDown is working in the background.....
Video PullDown finished.

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- 14/11/2004 11:37:19 AM
- Free on drive N: 74.78 GB
- Creating DVD compliant files
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Mplex is multiplexing the video and audio stream.....
mplex version 2.0.0 (2.2.3 $Date: 2004/01/13 20:45:26 $)
File N:\THEFIL~1\TFM_PU~1.MPV looks like an MPEG Video stream.
File N:\THEFIL~1\TFM_EN~1.AC3 looks like an AC3 Audio stream.
Video stream 0: profile 8 selected - ignoring non-standard options!
Found 1 audio streams and 1 video streams
Selecting dvdauthor DVD output profile
Multiplexing video program stream!
Scanning for header info: Video stream e0 (N:\THEFIL~1\TFM_PU~1.MPV)
VIDEO STREAM: e0
Frame width : 720
Frame height : 480
Aspect ratio : 16:9 display
Picture rate : 29.970 frames/sec
Bit rate : 9800000 bits/sec
Vbv buffer size : 229376 bytes
CSPF : 0
Scanning for header info: AC3 Audio stream 00 (N:\THEFIL~1\TFM_EN~1.AC3)
AC3 frame size = 768
AC3 AUDIO STREAM:
Bit rate : 24576 bytes/sec (192 kbit/sec)
Frequency : 48000 Hz
SYSTEMS/PROGRAM stream:
rough-guess multiplexed stream data rate : 10202744
target data-rate specified : 10080000
++ WARN: Target data rate lower than computed requirement!
++ WARN: N.b. a 20% or so discrepancy in variable bit-rate
++ WARN: streams is common and harmless provided no time-outs will occur
Run-in Sectors = 89 Video delay = 13019 Audio delay = 0
New sequence commences...
Video e0: buf= 237568 frame=000000 sector=00000000
Audio bd: buf= 16384 frame=000000 sector=00000000
STREAM e0 completed @ frame 17036.
STREAM bd completed @ frame 241452.
Multiplex completion at SCR=695346176.
Video e0: buf= 237568 frame=017036 sector=00225074
Audio bd: buf= 2560 frame=241452 sector=00091983
VIDEO_STATISTICS: e0
Video Stream length: 454557696 bytes
Sequence headers: 1175
Sequence ends : 0
No. Pictures : 17037
No. Groups : 1175
No. I Frames : 1175 avg. size 72764 bytes
No. P Frames : 4712 avg. size 39009 bytes
No. B Frames : 11151 avg. size 16612 bytes
Average bit-rate : 5116800 bits/sec
Peak bit-rate : 9035200 bits/sec
BUFFERING min 15 Buf max 216458
AUDIO_STATISTICS: bd
Audio stream length 185435904 bytes.
Frames : 462061717
BUFFERING min 67 Buf max 8323
MUX STATUS: no under-runs detected.
Multiplexing finished.

Encoding Background jpeg.
INFO: [jpeg2yuv] Parsing & checking input files.
INFO: [jpeg2yuv] Image dimensions are 720x480
INFO: [jpeg2yuv] Movie frame rate is: 29.970030 frames/second
INFO: [jpeg2yuv] Interlaced frames, top field first.
INFO: [jpeg2yuv] Frame size: 720 x 480
INFO: [jpeg2yuv] Now generating YUV4MPEG stream.
INFO: [jpeg2yuv] Processing non-interlaced/interleaved N:/THEFIL~1/TFM_Background.jpg, size 62306l.
INFO: [mpeg2enc] Selecting DVD output profile
INFO: [mpeg2enc] Assuming norm NTSC
INFO: [mpeg2enc] Encoding MPEG-2 video to N:/THEFIL~1/TFM_Background.m2v
INFO: [mpeg2enc] Horizontal size: 720 pel
INFO: [mpeg2enc] Vertical size: 480 pel
INFO: [mpeg2enc] Aspect ratio code: 3 = 16:9 display
INFO: [mpeg2enc] Frame rate code: 4 = 30000.0/1001.0 (NTSC VIDEO)
INFO: [mpeg2enc] Bitrate: 7500 KBit/s
INFO: [mpeg2enc] Quality factor: 8 (1=best, 31=worst)
INFO: [mpeg2enc] Field order for input: top-field-first
INFO: [mpeg2enc] Sequence unlimited length
INFO: [mpeg2enc] Search radius: 16
INFO: [mpeg2enc] GOP SIZE RANGE 9 TO 15
INFO: [mpeg2enc] Setting colour/gamma parameters to "NTSC"
INFO: [mpeg2enc] Progressive format frames = 0
INFO: [mpeg2enc] Buffering 39 frames
INFO: [mpeg2enc] SETTING 3DNOW and EXTENDED MMX for QUANTIZER!
INFO: [mpeg2enc] SETTING EXTENDED MMX for MOTION!
INFO: [mpeg2enc] SETTING MMX for TRANSFORM!
INFO: [mpeg2enc] SETTING EXTENDED MMX for PREDICTION!
INFO: [mpeg2enc] GOP LENGTH = 1
INFO: [mpeg2enc] Frame start 0 I 0 0
INFO: [mpeg2enc] Frame end 0 116.52 116.52 8.2 8.23
INFO: [mpeg2enc] GOP LENGTH = 0
Encoding Background jpeg finished.

Multiplexing Background jpeg.
mplex version 2.0.0 (2.2.3 $Date: 2004/01/13 20:45:26 $)
File N:\THEFIL~1\TFM_Background.m2v looks like an MPEG Video stream.
Video stream 0: profile 8 selected - ignoring non-standard options!
Found 0 audio streams and 1 video streams
Selecting dvdauthor DVD output profile
Multiplexing video program stream!
Scanning for header info: Video stream e0 (N:\THEFIL~1\TFM_Background.m2v)
VIDEO STREAM: e0
Frame width : 720
Frame height : 480
Aspect ratio : 16:9 display
Picture rate : 29.970 frames/sec
Bit rate : 7500000 bits/sec
Vbv buffer size : 229376 bytes
CSPF : 0
SYSTEMS/PROGRAM stream:
rough-guess multiplexed stream data rate : 7655000
target data-rate specified : 10080000
Setting specified specified data rate: 10080000
Scanned to end AU 0
Run-in Sectors = 88 Video delay = 12873 Audio delay = 0
New sequence commences...
Video e0: buf= 237568 frame=000000 sector=00000000
STREAM e0 completed @ frame 0.
Multiplex completion at SCR=2779.
Video e0: buf= 202604 frame=000000 sector=00000018
VIDEO_STATISTICS: e0
Video Stream length: 34964 bytes
Sequence headers: 1
Sequence ends : 1
No. Pictures : 0
No. Groups : 1
No. I Frames : 1 avg. size 34964 bytes
No. P Frames : 0 avg. size 0 bytes
No. B Frames : 0 avg. size 0 bytes
Average bit-rate : 8382800 bits/sec
Peak bit-rate : 0 bits/sec
BUFFERING stream too short for useful statistics
MUX STATUS: no under-runs detected.
Multiplexing Background jpeg finished.

Spumux is creating the DVD menu.....
Processed 0 subtitles.
The longest display line had -1 characters.
The maximum number of displayed lines was 0.
The normal display height of the font arial.ttf was 0.
The bottom display height of the font arial.ttf was 0.
The biggest subtitle box had 700 bytes.
Creating DVD menu finished.

DVDAuthor is writing the VOB files.....
Locale=C
Converting filenames to US-ASCII
dvdauthor creating VTS
Video pts = 0.176 .. 0.209
Audio[32] pts = 0.176 .. 0.176
Generating VTSM with the following video attributes:
MPEG version: mpeg2
TV standard: ntsc
Aspect ratio: 16:9
Resolution: 720x480
Video pts = 0.178 .. 710.737
Audio[0] pts = 0.178 .. 7726.674
Generating VTS with the following video attributes:
MPEG version: mpeg2
TV standard: ntsc
Aspect ratio: 16:9
Resolution: 720x480
Audio ch 0 format: ac3/2ch, 48khz drc, 'en'
dvdauthor creating table of contents
Scanning N:\The FilmMachine Output\DVD/VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_0.IFO
Writing VOB files finished.

Finished authoring DVD

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- 14/11/2004 2:02:55 PM
- Free on drive N: 71.20 GB
- DVD creation finished!
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[The_Mask]

On both occasions I think the problem lies with CCE. In the log files I see that the free disk space before and after encoding with CCE is only a small difference and not the 3 gig or more that it should be.

Maybe you can watch the CCE encoding process more carefully for any strange things.

With DERODEO the problem is that TFM cannot find the second encoding window. Maybe you have to many processes running in the background.

[ruipb]

ok , I will pay attention , and verify my disk space
I'll report

[ruipb]

I having the same result , now with 25 Gbs free space,and I can't detect anything strange on CCE encoding, but it seems something with that.
Only that it seems strange to me that Video strem file (MPV) ends with only 385 MB, but I don't understand this.

?

[The_Mask]

While encoding by CCE can you tell me what TFM is doing. Is it proceeding with other things then waiting for CCE?

[ruipb]

Yes it seems to be just waiting , I have the second(?) window of CCE working and TFM is stopped (at least it seems).
Thanks for replying

[The_Mask]

Can you make a printscreen of the time the problem occurs?

[ruipb]

I've noticed that with a new try of another avi (this time 2 of +/- 700 Mbs=1.4 Ggs) i get the same (+/-) video stream lenght than with my last one (posted here) with just +/- 700 Mbs avi.

is this normal?

" STREAM e0 completed @ frame 136653.
STREAM bd completed @ frame 170808.
Multiplex completion at SCR=491920822.
Video e0: buf= 199240 frame=136653 sector=00182217
Audio bd: buf= 2048 frame=170808 sector=00151831
VIDEO_STATISTICS: e0
Video Stream length: 361009144 bytes
Sequence headers: 9111
Sequence ends : 1
No. Pictures : 136653
No. Groups : 9111
No. I Frames : 9111 avg. size 32496 bytes
No. P Frames : 36442 avg. size 579 bytes
No. B Frames : 91101 avg. size 481 bytes
Average bit-rate : 528000 bits/sec
Peak bit-rate : 819600 bits/sec
BUFFERING min 159042 Buf max 193720
"

[ruipb]

At the mean time, I have noticed something odd:

The vaf size when it is being built never match the size in the encoder window.
I have attached an image , to show. For example the size in some moment on the encoder window is 274000 KB and the file in windows explorer is 2740 KB.

Well but MPV outpu file seems to be working fine until now , both sizes matches,
maybe my post it's stupid , but ...

[glenn-computer]

This is a problem...i have different files from the serie bottom on my computer
they are not so long in time each..how can i burn them on dvd?..let's say 3 or 2file's..i have a little experimented with this but no result this far..how could it be done..? i say this because if you burn a file to dvd the dvd closes hereafter after burning and i don't now how you could burn more than 1file on dvd...

[ruipb]

Can the number of passes, previously defined in the options (CCE encoder) , explain the small size of files (mpv one)?

I have just reinstalled CCE 2.50 SP , and check that I have 4 passes in the options (CCE) , and I manage to make a correct size DVD 4.7 GB

[glenn-computer]

my files are different in mb 234 to 268 they are varied....yesterday i choosed 2 to 3 file's en set them in filmmachine..when the file's are not from the same codex or framerate en audio filmmachine refused them, now i managed to take 3 file's with the same framerate en audio en now it works..the one thing is.. i actualy work with Canopus Procoder en this is the first time with CCE..
I HAVE the 2.67 installed..my proggres is that i managed to make 3files for dvd now(bottom series) but the dvd is too short, i used 1pass in CCE..I CAN CHOOSE 6passes..but take 1 so they maybe fit..negatif(only2file's) yesterdayi tried to make 3 file's en played with the options(configurations) CCE en the quality is poor..maybe i gonna read more en experiment a bit with CCE..if it don't work i can always choose to experim..with canopus...or else i can always choose 2file's to fit on dvd so the quality stays good!!!

yes i'm a newbie newbie newbie..

[Derodeo]

My experience with The FilmMachine and partial creation of DVDs indicates that using Canopus Procoder instead of CCE solves the problem 100% of the time. I used to successfully use CCE too but for some reason it now always fails to create the full length DVD.

[koumooo]

I had the exact same problem yesterday...

first i maanged to create a perfect DVd.. only then i realised i had put the 2 video files in reverse order so the movie started from the middle, then finsihed and started fromt he begining to finsih in the middle .. dooohh

so i thought : well no big problem I'll just do it again, paying close attention to the avi files order this time.

well it didnt work. once it produced the sdame error saying it cant find the second encoding window just like it did with Derodeo above..

something like this:

Could not find second encoding window, checking again...
Still could not find second encoding window, checking again...


then i tried a 4th time , CCe created a huge 4+ Gb MPg file and nothing happend.. i realised TF had closed... probably crashed and now I'm left with a huge mpg file that i obvioulsy need to cut in some way into VOBs??