Moive in 1 CD

[chetansha]

Is it possible to fit a moive of 90 - 120 mins into 1 CD ?

[bertieg]

Isnt there a mpeg 4 format that can do this?

[bertieg]

Sorry my mistake.

[ChickenMan]

Pokopiko, I must correct you on a couple of comments you have made.

1. You can fit 79min of MPEG1(VCD) to a 80min CD, not 70min. You can also get 98min 35sec to a 99min CD (I have done this MANY MANY times!)

2. ".....with bad picture quality (not better than a VHS tape)." VCD (MPEG1) can and are made better than VHS tape for both Video and Audio. If you use a DVD quality as your reference point, then yes they are not as good, if you refer to VHS, then they can be somewhat better (they can also be made worse, but then so can a DVD).

3. "The best compression you can theoretically achieve with mpeg4 is 1:108" I capture VHS using the DivX 4.11 codec (MPEG4) and achieve 1:160 to 1:140 comression. I tend to look at things that work practically, rather then theoretically as a result you can fit a lot more quality movie to a CD than you have indicated.

4. "....the "illegal" Divx ..." Why would anyone suggest the use of old possibly illegal (never proven as illegal) DivX codec when there is a perfectly legal version available. Have a read at h**p://www.divx.com Expect to see some DVD players capable of playing DivX4 soon.

Cheers.

[chetansha]

New query : I have a a movie in DVix Foremat which is 1 hr and 25 mins long. can i convert it to a Stanard VCD ( on a 700 mb/80 Mins CD) ?

[ChickenMan]

A 1hr 25m (85min)DivX movie converted to a standard VCD will still be 1hr 25min (85min) long and that wont fit onto a 74 or 80 min CDR. It will fit onto a 90 or 99min CDR providing your burner can burn those high capacity CDR's.

You can cut the VCD file in half and go to 2 CDR's as thats what most VCD's are anyway.

Or you could look at chopping off trailing credits and some of the intro and the end result if 79min then would fit to an 80min CDR. But most DivX's have those cut off already.

[batman]

There actually is a way to get up to 130 minutes on vcd but only if your dvd player will support it heres how its a cvcd template for TMPGenc i found on the net it works if your dvd player supports xvcd etc mine does so i have no problem with it

open notepad and paste this into it


object TMPEGConfigFile
MPEG.Text = ''
MPEG.WizardCategoryName = ''
MPEG.WizardCaption = ''
MPEG.WizardDescription = ''
MPEG.OutputStreamType = MPEG_OutputStreamType_System_VideoAudio
MPEG.OutputStreamType_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.StreamType = MPEGVideoEncoder_StreamType_MPEG1
MPEG.Video.StreamType_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.Width = 352
MPEG.Video.Width_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.Height = 288
MPEG.Video.Height_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.YUVFormat = 1
MPEG.Video.YUVFormat_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.DC_prec = 0
MPEG.Video.DC_prec_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.VideoEncodeMode = MPEGVideoEncoder_VideoEncodeMode_Progressive
MPEG.Video.VideoEncodeMode_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.VideoEncodeMode_CantSelExtType = False
MPEG.Video.FrameRate = 3
MPEG.Video.FrameRate_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.AspectRatio = 1
MPEG.Video.AspectRatio_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.RateControlMode = MPEGVideoEncoder_RateControlMode_VBR_Auto
MPEG.Video.RateControlMode_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.MaxBitRate = 0
MPEG.Video.MaxBitRate_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.CBR_BitRate = 1150000
MPEG.Video.MVBR_MaxBitRate = 3000000
MPEG.Video.MVBR_MinBitRate = 0
MPEG.Video.MVBR_Quality_P = 0
MPEG.Video.MVBR_Quality_B = 20
MPEG.Video.MVBR_EnablePadding = False
MPEG.Video.VBR_AvgBitRate = 1150000
MPEG.Video.VBR_MaxBitRate = 3000000
MPEG.Video.VBR_MinBitRate = 300000
MPEG.Video.VBR_EnablePadding = False
MPEG.Video.AVBR_Quality = 100
MPEG.Video.AVBR_MaxBitRate = 1150000
MPEG.Video.AVBR_MinBitRate = 350000
MPEG.Video.AVBR_EnablePadding = True
MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality = 50
MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality_P = 0
MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality_B = 20
MPEG.Video.CQ_MaxBitRate = 3000000
MPEG.Video.CQ_MinBitRate = 0
MPEG.Video.CQ_EnablePadding = False
MPEG.Video.MPCQ_AvgBitRate = 1150000
MPEG.Video.MPCQ_MaxBitRate = 3000000
MPEG.Video.MPCQ_MinBitRate = 300000
MPEG.Video.MPCQ_MaxPassCount = 3
MPEG.Video.MPCQ_Quality_P = 0
MPEG.Video.MPCQ_Quality_B = 20
MPEG.Video.MPCQ_EnablePadding = False
MPEG.Video.VBVBufferSize = 114688
MPEG.Video.VBVBufferSize_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_SeqHeaderInterval = 0
MPEG.Video.GOP_SeqHeaderInterval_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_I_FrameCount = 1
MPEG.Video.GOP_I_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_P_FrameCount = 5
MPEG.Video.GOP_P_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_B_FrameCount = 2
MPEG.Video.GOP_B_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_BitStreamForEdit = False
MPEG.Video.GOP_BitStreamForEdit_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_Intra_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_NonIntra_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.Profile = 4
MPEG.Video.Profile_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.Level = 8
MPEG.Video.Level_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.VideoFormat = 2
MPEG.Video.VideoFormat_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.DisplayWidth = 0
MPEG.Video.DisplayWidth_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.DisplayHeight = 0
MPEG.Video.DisplayHeight_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Video.MotionSearchSpeed = MPEGVideoEncoder_MotionSearchSpeed_MotionEstimate
MPEG.Video.MotionSearch_AlwaysHalfPel = True
MPEG.Video.UseFloatDCT = False
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMode = True
MPEG.Video.QuantizeModeVal_Intra = 35
MPEG.Video.QuantizeModeVal_NonIntra = 35
MPEG.Video.YUVBasicYCbCr = False
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_Intra = {
081013161A1B1D22101016181B1D222513161A1B1D22222616 161A1B1D222528
161A1B1D202328301A1B1D202328303A1A1B1D22262E38451B 1D23262E384553}
MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_NonIntra = {
10111213141516171112131415161718121314151617181913 14151617181A1B
14151617191A1B1C151617181A1B1C1E1617181A1B1C1E1F17 18191B1C1E1F21}
MPEG.Audio.StreamType = MPEGAudioEncoder_StreamType_MPEG1_Layer2
MPEG.Audio.StreamType_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.SamplingFrequency = 44100
MPEG.Audio.SamplingFrequency_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.ChannelMode = 0
MPEG.Audio.ChannelMode_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.CantUseMono = False
MPEG.Audio.BitRate = 128000
MPEG.Audio.BitRate_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.CalcCRC = False
MPEG.Audio.CalcCRC_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.OriginalFlag = False
MPEG.Audio.OriginalFlag_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.CopyrightFlag = False
MPEG.Audio.CopyrightFlag_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.PrivateFlag = False
MPEG.Audio.PrivateFlag_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.Audio.EmphasisType = 0
MPEG.Audio.EmphasisType_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.System.StreamType = MPEGSystemEncoder_StreamType_MPEG1_VBR
MPEG.System.StreamType_ReadOnly = False
MPEG.System.CommentText = ''
MPEG.System.EnableCommentText = False
end

save the file as (compressed)CVCD.mcf and put it in the template folder in tmpgenc
hope it works for you as good as it works for me
btw use winfile to rename to .mcf if you have any troubles
have fun
batman

[batman]

BTW this is for pal users only sorry i have no need for ntsc

[ChickenMan]

I have played with that template a bit awhile back and unfortunately I have not been able to get anywhere near the 2hr or 120min claim to fit onto one CD, not even onto a 99min CD.

batman, can you give me some actual examples where you have fitted 130min of cVCD movie onto one CD as you claim is possible. Thanks.

[batman]

Originally posted by ChickenMan
I have played with that template a bit awhile back and unfortunately I have not been able to get anywhere near the 2hr or 120min claim to fit onto one CD, not even onto a 99min CD.

batman, can you give me some actual examples where you have fitted 130min of cVCD movie onto one CD as you claim is possible. Thanks.

Never said i did or could.... read post i said HERE is a way i found it on the net....a template for TMPGenc and i only said i have no trouble playing xvcd templates so THIS TEMPLATE WORKS FOR ME.........but if you want examples (not 130 mins but still pretty impressive if i say so myself) here you go all movies are on TDK 700mbs cds
1> pitch black 104 mins last night
2>dawn of the dead with end credits cut 116 mins
3>Godzilla vs monster zero 108 mins
4>Crouching tiger hidden dragon 113
5>Unbreakable 102 mins
6>night of the living dead 96mins
7>Day of the dead 97mins
8>razorback 94 mins
as i said all 80min cds 700mbs (no overburning)i added last couple cause i still think that is good do you want any more examples as i have about 24 more then theres me 80 -90 minute movies all on 650 mb cds 74 mins tdk of course
thx 1138 91 mins
Titan ae 92 mins with credits cut 90mins
son of godzilla 87 mins
evil dead 90 mins
as i said i never once claimed i could get 130 mins that is what thewebsite i was at claimed i said here is a template that lets you but as you can see it works good for me and if thats not enough for you i also have V The series on vcd parts 1-2 193 mins 2cds (700mb)
Parts 3-4 176 mins 2 cds (700mbs)
Parts 5 82 mins on 650 mbs(1)cd

Btw i Use TMPGenc 12A never tried anything else no other version so chickenman what do you think thats not to bad even if you do only have my word for it but other people at other sites have nearly the same results some better some worse hope you understand my point "I never said i could get 130mins but 116 is still bloody good. that is the most i could get on cd without overburning even with overburning 2 more minutes is still only 118 mins but thats more than enough for me...

[ChickenMan]

Thanks for the many examples, it looks interesting. I have Unbreakable as a good quality DVD rip in DivX format myself so I will encode my copy to CVCD using the above template and see what I get.

Personaly I prefer to use TMPGEnc ver 12j, I find 12a substantially slower in encoding. The new versions 2.x have occasionally had the odd problem thats always resolved by using 12j. But of course 12a does SVCD, so worth it for that. I aslo find 12a accepts the odd ASF file for conversion that the latter version do not. Every bit of software has good and bad points, thats why I have both 12a & 12j on my computer.

Cheers.

[batman]

I dont know if it matters Chickenman but my dvd rip was not ripped to divx as i dont like divx cant get it to work as good as i would like it + dont like to watch movies on pc i think they look so much better on telly although downloaded some nice ones had better luck converting to Svcd than VCD,xvcd,Cvcd...etc etc .For unbreakable i used DVD2AVI to frameserver vob files into tempgenc 12a with the cvcd template loaded slow but its worth it.I dont use ant other settings except for motion search precision set to Highest Quality(very slow)and Soften block noise intrablock 35 Non-intrablock 35 no filters.

[ChickenMan]

I tried to convert my Unbreakable divx using the CVCD template and TMPGEnc 12a and an error is reported saying the VBR of 112 is to high and can only be between 8 and 102 ! I had ver 2.01 on my computer at the time and it accepted it okay so ran with that.

Results:

Unbreakable Divx PAL 106min with aspect ration of 2.3 to 1.

CVCD - took 1h 38m 37s to encode to a 635,311 kb file

Std VCD - took 3h 26m 20s to encode to a 1,089,436 kb file.

Findings:
The CVCD mpg file was 40% smaller than the standard VCD mpg and as a result was able to be burnt to a standard 74min CDR. This played fine on the PC with WinDVD with very little difference in Video picture but with not as clear audio compared to the std VCD. I played it on my Apex (Hiteker) AD600a (with latest firmware). It played okay for 10 min then the audio started stuttering and causing the pic to stop start as well.

The pic Unbreakable has no fast moving scenes at all and was letterbox format 2.3:1 aspect ratio, so large black bands top and bottom of the pic. These bands use up very little data when VBR is turned on (as in the CVCD template) and this would be the reasion the mpg file ends up a lot sameller. If the movie was 117min long, it would have just fitted to a 700meg/80min CD which is close to the quoted "can fit up to 120min movie to one CD"

I would suspect a full screen 4:3 fast moving movie would not get anywhere near this compression. I will confirm this at a later date.

Conclusion:

1. If your DVD Player supports the format, it can be a viable option.

2. Be prepared to accept lower Audio quality.

3. Dont expect to lend your movies to family or neighbours and for them to view them on their equipment.
Cheers,
CM

[batman]

you must have posted at same time chickenman please read post before your last post and btw all my movies have black borders vhs anyway as i capture pal video at 384x240 then encode to pal 352x288 which automatically gives me black boarders and have only ripped 2 movies that werent wide screen 2:35:1,16:9 transfer so i dont really know about 4;3 cant say i have any do have the hard way with seth enslow which is full screen but only 85 minutes will try it tonight as it takes me about 3-4 hours for cvcd as only have amd duron 850 getting amd athlon 1.4 gig only 234 dollars in oz were i come from dont know if thats good or bad but i hope to encode a lot faster than i do know

[ChickenMan]

When it come to Movie manipulation, the faster the CPU the better.

I just encoded the Pod Race section of Star Wars - Phantom Menace from the PAL DVD VOB no 3. The clip was 12m 51s long and using TMPGenc 2.01 again, I expanded the pic to full screen and maintaining correct aspect ratio.

Results:

CVCD Template took 25m 23s and gave a 119,164kb MPG file.

Std VCD Template took 42m 50s and gave a 131,611kb MPG file.

Comments:

The CVCD template is certainly quick in encoding but as I predicted, there is very little to be gained in MPG file size over a standard VCD when encoding full screen and fast action.

Playback on the PC gave a noticably better picture with the standard VCD mpeg. I feel the Soften Block Noise turned on in the CVCD template contributed to this. Both still had some pixelation in the very fast & complex parts. Again sound quality was noticably worse in the CVCD.

Conclusion:

1. The CVCD format does not save any significant file size when the movie is full screen & fast action.

2. Sound quality is still poor.

3. Files created with the CVCD format are still non-standard VCD files (XVCD) and has DVD Player playback limitations.