CD extra backup: the hard way (newbie)

[bonomau]

Hello everyone! i was more than AMAZED to find this GREAT fourm, that covers practically every detail of several great software.

but after much reading, i still have a problem. i have a 1995 rolling stones cd (stripped) with a data track at the start of it, and then the audio tracks, gapless, of course, since it is a live cd.

first, i tried to make a backup of it (it is badly scratched) with clone cd, but in the burned cd the data session takes the place of track 1, and the audio track 1 becomes track 2.

i am now experimenting with cdrwin 5.0 to make a cd extra so i can use the audio secure extraction made with EAC and to put the DATA track at the end (in the style of Peter Gabriel's Enhanced cd "UP") , but as far as i have tried, i just cannot make the damn audio tracks to be gapless, although i have supposedly told the program to pregap the first track as usual, and remove the gaps from the rest of the audio tracks, but STILL i get 2 second gaps between every audio track.

i have devoted so much time to this problem, because the new edition of the stones cd is audio only, and the data track is quite nice.

i hope someone out there has an answer for my problem.

thanx in advance to every one who reads.
please help! i am a fast learner, but this time, i have not been able to fulfill my goal...

[scarecrow]

Your CD-Extra actually isn't a CD-Extra, but a mixed mode CD... anyway:
1.Rip the audio tracks with EAC.
2. Rip the data track with ISOBuster.
3. Create a REAL CD-Extra, putting the data track last. I believe that Nero can do the job, although I don't use it. But I can assure you that RecordNowMax, Padus Discjuggler and Pinnacle Instant CD/DVD can easily create such disks, with CD-Text and ISRC/UPC codes, plus custom pregaps (including of course zeroed ones). I have burned many CD-Extras with those three applications on different burners (Lite-On 24102b, Plextor 24/10/40, Plextor Premium, Sony DRU-500, Toshiba SD-M 6112) and excluding few cases of insufficent burner driver support, the result was fine.

[VIPER_1069]

nero can make CD EXTRA disks no problem and to make them gapless just highlight all exept for track one* the tracks together and right click and choose properties where it says pause change this to 0 this will make the tracks back to back/seamless (except in the case where a track lead in and lead out is faded then it will appear to have a gap, note you can remove this in the settings under CDA options when you goto the burn settings )

* dont use a 0 pause time on track 1 as this will prompt when you wish to burn that it will need 1 - 2 seconds for the lead-in on the disk ... (altho it does give you the option to change this when you attempt to burn ) its just easier to do it when you are compiling the audio

Just create the disk as you normally make a CD-EXTRA but change the puase to 0 as described above and all should be fine

hope this is of some use to you

[LTR12101B]

To burn conventional audio with zero track gaps, you have to use DAO mode (as well as setting all except the first to zero ... a common complaint is that many programs cannot do this automatically).

To burn a 2 session CD-Extra / CD-Enhanced with no track gaps, SAO (Session at once) mode may be required, and if not made available explicitly, SAO is often selected if DAO is set, in a situation where DAO could not actually be used. There are some other things I've probably missed in that.

There is also a 3rd way to combine data and audio - data in pregap, rapidly dropped as it was troublesome!

[bonomau]

thanx to all of you who helped me on this one!

i will try with nero... i was just having great expectactions with CDRWIN, but i grew tired of burning audio with gaps.

i will let you know how i did. have a great weekend guys!

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[scarecrow]

To burn a 2 session CD-Extra / CD-Enhanced with no track gaps, SAO (Session at once) mode may be required...

The problem is that most programs drop the pregap settings to 2 seconds when using SAO mode, no matter what you've set up. One program that can do multisession Cd-extra with adjustable gaps is Wavelab, and another one K3b (a linux program- actually K3B always burns mixed mode CD's as multisession- it even stops while burning, opens and closes the tray to reset the drive and then burns the next session). But it burns CD-text only with the cdrecord engine, if you pick up CDRDAO in such a disk then the Cd-text info goes south.
IMHO nothing more stable and confident than discjuggler for such jobs, you just have to tolerate its... ehmmm... "peculiar" user interface.