is possible a perfect audio copy?

[Mantra]

s possible a perfect audio copy?
1:1

really perfect?
with a good cdrom (CD-DA) and a good burner!!!and a good software like eac with the right setting

because i read a famous audio paper for audiophile and...


"it's impossible to make a perfect audio copy"....

ps. does only eac use offset for read and write???

thanks

[zver]

Every one month something comes like that....Like..........Audiograbber is the best,burn it at once(sound the best)................Polish cds before you play them...........bla bla bla.....If i were you wouldnt listen that..............imho there is no way that somebody can recognize copy of original........Use good soft and hardvare.......And it WONT be a difference...........eac and good reader(writer)is the killing combination..........Just my 2 cents(or my ears are not as good as from thouse guys)

[catachresis]

I've been using EAC for two years now and have been consistently happy with it. You can hear a very marginal difference on an audiophile oriented stereo system -- especially with the new 24 bit and + mastered discs, but the difference seems minimal. EAC is the best share/postcard-ware out, IMHO.

[zver]

My all audio system is worth 7-9 thou $ canadian.............And i cannot hear the difference...................whats the value of your????Im very curius!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Also,somebody else..........???????????

[catachresis]

Hey zver, I don't want to get into any p1ssing matches over stereos (inasmuch as mine is only worth around $3500 Canadian), but this evening I'm going to burn a new copy of A Love Supreme with either EAC or CloneCd and compare. Why don't you do the same with an album you know well, when you get a chance, and post your impressions here? Cheers!

[daveml]

I find some cdrs can make the sound a little "thin" or trebley compared to the original , no matter what the software. Then again the opposite sometimes applies, especially with old original cds.
I guess thats why somebody invented the graphic equalizer!

[FortiTude]

perhaps you need a nice yamaha burner with "audio master quality recording" to reduce jitters
FortiTude

[zver]

Im just curius....Logic is that more expensive stereo should sound more truthfull........I know Poco and Master have some audio systems...............So thets why i asked.....Who knows,we might have a members here with $50000 stereo??????Still,i was listenning in showromes expensive speakere($30000 us)couldnt hear a difference?????Or my ears are bad???????We are just discussing and wasting a time................Once again,im apologizing,didnt explain well.............I wanted somebody else with expencive system to give oppinion...................

[FortiTude]

i got the terratec dmx 6fire 24/96 for 250 Euro
my reciever (pioneer vsx-709-rds with dolby digital, dts, ...) was 300 Euro
then i use the yamaha crw3200 for 200 Euro
not a bad system at all, only my speakers aren't the best (from CAT)
but i didn't have the time to do a sound check with a original audio cd (i only have very few original audio cds very deep under all the other stuff lying around)
i will try it when i have time
FortiTude

[RASTABT]

Perfect audio copy?
Deah no such ting as perfect audio copy onto cd as one can always find someting wrong wit de end product.
Also your audio system your playin it on will have a big part to play in de audio output quality to.
As for de copyin side of ting media type hardware software etc all play their rolls as you know.
Audiograbber I tent to use from time to time for rippin tracks I need.

[daveml]

I think this a "Holy Grail" question.
I think unless youve got a pressing plant in your living room then a copy will never completely match an original under scientific test.
However, in reality who sits there listening to both the original and the copy going " Umm , that sounded slightly fuller at that point etc".
I'm a musician and I've got a good ear (or two!) and I cant hear any noticable difference in my copies.
I've never had anybody come back to me and say "this is not an exact copy".
If you read and write the cd without any outside interference then everything should be lovely!
I never have any other programs running when reading a cd, and I never burn on the fly. (maybe I'm just too careful).
When I'm burning it doesnt seem to make any difference, even if the buffer-underun kicks in.
Anyhow the average punter doesnt have a state of the art stereo, and if they were that fussed would go out and buy the "real" one.

[FortiTude]

yeah, i fully agree with you RASTABT and daveml
i use my surround sound and it is really nice, but it doesn't matter for me if it is a original or not, the quality of most mp3 or ogg from the net is fully sufficient
FortiTude

[catachresis]

Hmmm. I burned the 'Train with EAC and it sounds wunnerful but not quite up to the 20 bit original (not quite as sharp on the edges, less dynamic, etc.).

Maybe I'm insane. That would explain a lot of things. I'll discuss this with the Sirians when they contact me on the radio inside my head -- those fillings act as an antenna, doncha-know.

Anyhoo, this is still an interesting thread. Cheers!

[daveml]

LOL!!

[larini]

a copy will never completely match an original under scientific test.

You only have to use EAC's "Compare WAVs" tool to see that the digital information there is in the original and in the copy is the same, unless the CD is scratched or the CDROM reader is old.

If you can hear a difference between the copy and the original then the problem lies in the poor compatibility between player and CDR (cheap CDRs aren't a good idea).
Probably we couldn't distinguish the original and the copy in a blind test.

Extract with a program that reads C2 errors like EAC or Feurio, and you'll get a perfect copy.